78 RPM - Barbie Gaye - My Boy Lollypop / Say You Understand - Darl - USA

78 RPM Record

Artist:	Barbie Gaye
Label:	Darl
Country:	USA
Catalogue:	R-1002
Date:	Dec 1956
Format:	10"
Collection:	I Own It I Want It
Community:	3 Own, 1 Wants
Price Guide:	$60
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Track	Artist	Title	Composer	Rating
A	Barbie Gaye	My Boy Lollypop	Spencer, Roberts	Rate
B	Barbie Gaye	Say You Understand	Winfield, Scott	Rate

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Bob1951 19th Sep 2017		B side



Juke Jules SUBS 3rd Feb 2013



mickey rat 1st Feb 2013		So here's Alan Freed's top 25 records on his WINS radio show in late November 1956. Note the first three listed are all Morris Levy related, and the first Darl single by The Plaids is also featured...



mickey rat 30th Jan 2013		Ta Davie. I'll try and track it down.



davie gordon 28th Jan 2013		mickey, have a scout around on Ebay or Amazon for this book "Big Beat Heat : Alan Freed and The Early Years of Rock and Roll" by John Jackson US Schirmer Books, 2000 [ISBN no. 0-02-871156-4 paperback] [ISBN no. 0-02-871155-6 hardback] It's a very thorough (400 pages) and readable overview of the record business in fifties New York - it'll help you make sense of the connections. No mention of Barbie Gaye, Darl, Johnny Roberts so you've dug into previously undocumented areas. I found a copy about ten years ago for a pound in the excellent Fopp Records in Glasgow but I've no idea how much it goes for these days. There was an NBC TV movie based on the book which I haven't seen .. it might be available on DVD.



Jock_Girl 22nd Jan 2013		Song was registered by Sylvia Music As another connection in the whole thing, note that the B side of Darl R-1001 was also published by Sylvia Music. ----------------------- Silly season now: If we want to play a game of degrees of separation, then the Rod Stewart connect is this: Say You Understand was published by Sylvia Music. The Honeycombs recorded a song entitled Who is Sylvia? on Pye 7N 17059 It was produced by Joe Meek Meek also produced The Moontrekkers When singer Tommy Bishop left The Moontrekkers, Rod Stewart joined as his replacement. -----------------------



mickey rat 22nd Jan 2013		This one is even more incestuous than I thought. Kahl Music, along with Planetary Music and Patricia Music were all owned by Morris Levy and his partner Phil Kahl. All three music publishers turn up on numerous record labels. This original version of Lollipop was registered by Kahl Music and I notice the later hit version by Millie had Planetary (also known as Planetary-Kahl) as publisher, so Mr. Levy probably made more money out of Millie's worldwide hit than anyone else involved, including Millie herself. Furthermore, according to wiki the Barbie Gaye version got heaps of airplay in New York from the very influential Alan Freed. I've just read a 1960 snippet in Billboard saying Morris Levy was Alan Freed's manager. Dunno how close they were in 1957 but the more I read about Levy, I would think Freed did as he was told.



mickey rat 19th Jan 2013		Hi LS. Yes, Galen Gart is an invaluable source. I picked up some of his books a few years ago including ARLD which I very often use as a starting point when trying to join the dots. Although all his information was painstakingly researched from Billboard (and of course we all easily access BB on line nowadays) it's still a wonderful shortcut and recommended to anyone interested in 1940s and '50s American record labels. For those who don't know it, it lists name of each record company, addresses, names of owners and A&R people if known, plus dates (months/years) of Billboard reviews for selected catalog numbers. Brief entries only, but there were an awful lot of American record companies. An index in the back helps to link people to the labels they owned or managed. And Jock-Girl, just kidding but how do we know a very young Rod Stewart didn't go to NY in 1956 and play on this record? Nothing surprises me in this game anymore. Everything seems to be connected and sometimes only two or three degrees of separation seem to apply.



LouisSidney 18th Jan 2013		completed release date thanks to Galen Gart's ARLD book.



Jock_Girl 18th Jan 2013		Interesting stuff Mickey. I note that Winfield Scott is Winfield-Scott on the label Also -- worth saying is that Rod Stewart did not play harmonica on this version either :-)



mickey rat 18th Jan 2013		Interesting wiki entry here. And the record industry’s favourite mobster Morris Levy was involved with this one too! Darl’s official address was c/o Ashe & Rifkin at 43 Lexington Ave. Ashe & Rifkin were a law firm and partner David Ashe appears to have been the official brief for the Associated Musicians Union of Greater New York (Local 802). I would hazard a guess that Ashe fancied having a record label and “DARL” possibly stood for David-Ashe-Roberts-Levy (Johnny Roberts being an associate of Levy). I could be wrong of course. LOC copyright registrations tell me that Kahl Music registered “My Girl Lollipop” (“My Boy Lollipop”) [note spelling] as w. & m. Robert Spencer and Johnny Roberts, on 3 Dec. 1956. Robert Spencer was a prolific songwriter and a sometime member of various doowop groups including The Crickets, The Crystals, The Harptones and The Cadillacs. He almost certainly wrote this song by himself and (according to wiki) Levy did his best to screw him out of royalties. The flipside of this record was written by Winfield Scott (one person), a.k.a. Robie Kirk, longtime member of The Cues who of course recorded all over the shop under various names. Song was registered by Sylvia Music (owned by Al Sears who played on this record), 30 Oct 1956.



Jock_Girl 17th Jan 2013		Later recorded by (Little) Millie (Small) as the hit bluebeat version. This version is very much early bluebeat in sound. Note original spelling of Lollypop versus Millie's version where it was spelled Lollipop.

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