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Author:Friedrich Nietzsche
Title:Thus Spoke Zarathustra
Publisher:  Penguin Classics
Country:UK
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Format:Paperback
Genre:Literature
Translator:R. J. Hollingdale
ISBN-10:0140441182
Barcode:9780140441185
Rating:9.0  Rate
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carey jeggs
14th Jan 2016
 'Nietzsche is dead'

God
 

 
zabadak
14th Jan 2016
 There's nothing Nietzsche couldn't teach ya
'Bout the raising of the wrist.
Socrates himself
Was permanently pi55ed!
:thumbsup:
 

 
Magic Marmalade
13th Jan 2016
 He's a nuckin' futter!

:)
 

 
carey jeggs
13th Jan 2016
 'You would not enjoy Nietzsche,Sir.He is fundamentally unsound.'


Jeeves.
 

 
Magic Marmalade
13th Jan 2016
 I think you've hit the nail on the head carey...

Nietzsche's works are a dark place to go to, albeit a fascinating one.

But reading this, as I did, a long time ago in the full fervour of impressionable youth, he can make quite a dent in your brain... so care has to be taken with this kind of thing.

Sing along now:

"When you're young and revolutionary/nihilistic, this book could help make you crazy..."

(Lyrics need some work still, and I haven't got a tune yet, but I think I'm on the way there!:)

Or as Father Ted might have said:

"Careful Now!"

and:

"Down with this kind of thing!"
 

 
zabadak
13th Jan 2016
 I bet he was fun at parties! :erk:
 

 
carey jeggs
12th Jan 2016
 Of all his books it's the one I like least.I've read it about half a dozen times but I'm finished with it now.It's a bit overblown and probably best read in German so that you get the benefit of the puns although his two main translators,Reg Hollingdale and Walter Kaufmann,have said that it is possible to render his 'voice' into English without distortion of tone.Still,I prefer the the aphoristic books of his middle period,particularly The Gay Science.
His bizarre notion of the Eternal Recurrence,whereby we keep living exactly the same lives repeatedly,is something that I fervently believed in round about 1973-74.
But at that time I was in a dark place....Irlam
 

 
Magic Marmalade
11th Jan 2016
 Rated 9/10
This is Nietszche's masterwork... And great source of bother, to say the least.

It discusses issues of morality, and how a superior morality from that which ages of Christianity calcified into dogma might be achieved.

His great proposal here was the proverbial "Breaking of the tables", a phrase which has passed from this book into modern culture to describe the perilous undertaking of breaking up old patterns of thought, of overcoming the habit of living according accepted, and long established understandings of moral virtue, as described in scriptures, and living by rote, in compliance with the superficial knowledge of those virtues long since "set in stone"

(You might equate this then with the smashing up of the Ten Commandments).

He describes race of people (you can begin to see where the trouble comes from already) of superior moral worth, able to live according to their own moral determinations, and who can as cast aside a set of morals in favour of some new moral understanding when such appears, and suits them to do so.... A kind people able to live according to a an ever evolving morality.

Supermen.

The Superman.

This, of course, was the idea from this book that later Nazi Germany seized upon to describe their "Master-race", and justify their abominable deeds.

A wilful misunderstanding!

...as can be plainly seen from even a cursory read of this book, where Nietzsche is at pains to differentiate between this "superman", and another species he calls: "The Ultimate Man".

According to Nietzsche, the Ultimate man is one who believes himself to be the ultimate expression of moral virtue, the end point of the process, and the ultimate reference point of such moral considerations... he says it, thinks it, or does it, therefore it is just and right, because it is he who does it.

Whereas the superman takes his reference from truth alone... external to himself, and not determined by himself.

So Nazi Germany took the idea f the "Superman", and applied it to themselves, and in so doing, simply became the "Ultimate" men... a curse, and danger to the world, and all and any in it.
Of Course, there were many other such ingredients borrowed, pilfered, and stolen from other works, from other cultural histories besides this work, and all, along with this, were bakes up in their hideous cake according to their own ends, and to their own purpose, as suited them best.

But even on an individual basis, a reader must take great care when reading this, as to adopt this philosophy wholesale is to abandon established moral considerations altogether, even if they are correct, and simply by virtue of the fact that they are old...

Nietzsche himself, through this, and other works, attempted to do so... and died, insane.

In short, it's one thing to look to new horizons of moral possibility, but you can't just let go of everything to do it... you won't know where you are, if you burn the old landmarks to the ground.

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