CD 1 |
1-01 | John Lennon, Yoko Ono With The Plastic Ono Band | Instant Karma (We All Shine On) | John Lennon | Rate |
1-02 | Plastic Ono Band | Cold Turkey | John Lennon | Rate |
1-03 | John Lennon / Plastic Ono Band | Working Class Hero | John Lennon | Rate |
1-04 | John Lennon / Plastic Ono Band | Isolation | John Lennon | Rate |
1-05 | John Lennon / Plastic Ono Band | Love | John Lennon | Rate |
1-06 | John Lennon / Plastic Ono Band | God | John Lennon | Rate |
1-07 | John Lennon / Plastic Ono Band | Power To The People | John Lennon | Rate |
1-08 | John Lennon / Plastic Ono Band (With The Flux Fiddlers) | Imagine | John Lennon, Yoko Ono | Rate |
1-09 | John Lennon / Plastic Ono Band | Jealous Guy | John Lennon | Rate |
1-10 | John Lennon / Plastic Ono Band | Gimme Some Truth | John Lennon | Rate |
1-11 | John Lennon / Plastic Ono Band | Oh My Love | John Lennon, Yoko Ono | Rate |
1-12 | John Lennon / Plastic Ono Band | How Do You Sleep? | John Lennon | Rate |
1-13 | John Lennon / Plastic Ono Band | Oh Yoko! | John Lennon | Rate |
1-14 | John Lennon, Yoko Ono With Elephants Memory Plus Invisible Strings | Angela | John Lennon, Yoko Ono | Rate |
1-15 | John Lennon, Yoko Ono / Plastic Ono Band With Elephants Memory | Come Together (Live) | John Lennon | Rate |
1-16 | John Lennon And The Plastic U.F.Ono Band | Mind Games | John Lennon | Rate |
1-17 | John Lennon And The Plastic U.F.Ono Band | Out The Blue | John Lennon | Rate |
1-18 | John Lennon | I Know (I Know) | John Lennon | Rate |
CD 2 |
2-01 | John Lennon With The Plastic Ono Nuclear Band / Little Big Horns And The Philharmonic Orchestrange | Whatever Gets You Through The Night | John Lennon | Rate |
2-02 | John Lennon With The Plastic Ono Nuclear Band / Little Big Horns And The Philharmonic Orchestrange | Bless You | John Lennon | Rate |
2-03 | John Lennon With The Plastic Ono Nuclear Band / Little Big Horns And The Philharmonic Orchestrange | #9 Dream | John Lennon | Rate |
2-04 | John Lennon With The Plastic Ono Nuclear Band / Little Big Horns And The Philharmonic Orchestrange | Steel And Glass | John Lennon | Rate |
2-05 | John Lennon | Stand By Me | Ben E. King, Jerry Leiber, Mike Stoller | Rate |
2-06 | John Lennon | Angel Baby | Rosalie Hamlin | Rate |
2-07 | John Lennon | (Just Like) Starting Over | John Lennon | Rate |
2-08 | John Lennon | I'm Losing You | John Lennon | Rate |
2-09 | John Lennon | Beautiful Boy (Darling Boy) | John Lennon | Rate |
2-10 | John Lennon | Watching The Wheels | John Lennon | Rate |
2-11 | John Lennon | Woman | John Lennon | Rate |
2-12 | John Lennon | Dear Yoko | John Lennon | Rate |
2-13 | John Lennon | Every Man Has A Woman Who Loves Him | Yoko Ono | Rate |
2-14 | John Lennon | Nobody Told Me | John Lennon | Rate |
2-15 | John Lennon | I'm Stepping Out | John Lennon | Rate |
2-16 | John Lennon | Grow Old With Me | John Lennon | Rate |
2-17 | John Lennon, Yoko Ono And The Plastic Ono Band With The Harlem Community Choir | Happy Xmas (War Is Over) | John Lennon, Yoko Ono | Rate |
2-18 | Plastic Ono Band | Give Peace A Chance | John Lennon | Rate |
Blu-Ray Audio With 24/96 Stereo + 5.1 Surround + Dolby Atmos |
3-01 | John Lennon, Yoko Ono With The Plastic Ono Band | Instant Karma (We All Shine On) | John Lennon | Rate |
3-02 | Plastic Ono Band | Cold Turkey | John Lennon | Rate |
3-03 | John Lennon / Plastic Ono Band | Working Class Hero | John Lennon | Rate |
3-04 | John Lennon / Plastic Ono Band | Isolation | John Lennon | Rate |
3-05 | John Lennon / Plastic Ono Band | Love | John Lennon | Rate |
3-06 | John Lennon / Plastic Ono Band | God | John Lennon | Rate |
3-07 | John Lennon / Plastic Ono Band | Power To The People | John Lennon | Rate |
3-08 | John Lennon / Plastic Ono Band (With The Flux Fiddlers) | Imagine | John Lennon, Yoko Ono | Rate |
3-09 | John Lennon / Plastic Ono Band | Jealous Guy | John Lennon | Rate |
3-10 | John Lennon / Plastic Ono Band | Gimme Some Truth | John Lennon | Rate |
3-11 | John Lennon / Plastic Ono Band | Oh My Love | John Lennon, Yoko Ono | Rate |
3-12 | John Lennon / Plastic Ono Band | How Do You Sleep? | John Lennon | Rate |
3-13 | John Lennon / Plastic Ono Band | Oh Yoko! | John Lennon | Rate |
3-14 | John Lennon, Yoko Ono With Elephants Memory Plus Invisible Strings | Angela | John Lennon, Yoko Ono | Rate |
3-15 | John Lennon, Yoko Ono / Plastic Ono Band With Elephants Memory | Come Together (Live) | John Lennon | Rate |
3-16 | John Lennon And The Plastic U.F.Ono Band | Mind Games | John Lennon | Rate |
3-17 | John Lennon And The Plastic U.F.Ono Band | Out The Blue | John Lennon | Rate |
3-18 | John Lennon | I Know (I Know) | John Lennon | Rate |
3-19 | John Lennon With The Plastic Ono Nuclear Band / Little Big Horns And The Philharmonic Orchestrange | Whatever Gets You Through The Night | John Lennon | Rate |
3-20 | John Lennon With The Plastic Ono Nuclear Band / Little Big Horns And The Philharmonic Orchestrange | Bless You | John Lennon | Rate |
3-21 | John Lennon With The Plastic Ono Nuclear Band / Little Big Horns And The Philharmonic Orchestrange | #9 Dream | John Lennon | Rate |
3-22 | John Lennon With The Plastic Ono Nuclear Band / Little Big Horns And The Philharmonic Orchestrange | Steel And Glass | John Lennon | Rate |
3-23 | John Lennon | Stand By Me | Ben E. King, Jerry Leiber, Mike Stoller | Rate |
3-24 | John Lennon | Angel Baby | Rosalie Hamlin | Rate |
3-25 | John Lennon | (Just Like) Starting Over | John Lennon | Rate |
3-26 | John Lennon | I'm Losing You | John Lennon | Rate |
3-27 | John Lennon | Beautiful Boy (Darling Boy) | John Lennon | Rate |
3-28 | John Lennon | Watching The Wheels | John Lennon | Rate |
3-29 | John Lennon | Woman | John Lennon | Rate |
3-30 | John Lennon | Dear Yoko | John Lennon | Rate |
3-31 | John Lennon | Every Man Has A Woman Who Loves Him | Yoko Ono | Rate |
3-32 | John Lennon | Nobody Told Me | John Lennon | Rate |
3-33 | John Lennon | I'm Stepping Out | John Lennon | Rate |
3-34 | John Lennon | Grow Old With Me | John Lennon | Rate |
3-35 | John Lennon, Yoko Ono And The Plastic Ono Band With The Harlem Community Choir | Happy Xmas (War Is Over) | John Lennon, Yoko Ono | Rate |
3-36 | Plastic Ono Band | Give Peace A Chance | John Lennon | Rate |
Deluxe Edition.
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Lee Wrecker 20th Dec 2020
| | Leonard, the Rounder label like Ace, Rough Trade, New Rose and the like would be classed as an independent label according to the site guidelines. Therefore, even when they have international distribution deals, like Disky from your country and the Bear Family from Germany we still list them as from the country of because of the labels independent status and usually as is the case with Rounder the niche (blues, rock) market they catered for. So we're not exactly comparing apples to apples here.
Universal International Music is not an independent record label or distributor but the International arm of UMG one the biggest players in the global music scene today. The problem you outline in regard to the international category making each country's individual "list ... incomplete and therefore of no value." is spot on but we're not doing "everything the same" and in fact everyone is doing their own thing and most of it outside the current guidelines.
I would prefer it if this could be listed as the EU, Australian and any other country as well where it was released but that is not how the guidelines are set. You know that the international category destroys national catalogues but unfortunately that means most of the EU catalogue of the major labels is international.
Now whenever, it is pointed out that something from the EU is international we get these protracted debates that seem to be about anything except the evidence. Shall I enter this same item as an Australian release? The links I have provided in an earlier comment confirm that it is and should I do the same wherever I see the same circumstances?
Any advice would be welcomed because from where I sit I could enter this same product as Australian, EU or international and be right on all counts. |
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leonard 20th Dec 2020
| | Something to think about: Rounder Records had their distribution done in Europe by Continental Record Services in the Netherlands. When good sales were expected they pressed up their own stock (Made in Holland, BIEM/STEMRA), which we list as European. All other CD's were made in USA, but were also released and obtainable for a regular price in at least the Netherlands. Nevertheless we list them as from USA. In my opinion it doesn't matter how we list them as long as we do everything the same. Otherwise it's of no use assigning countries as each list will be incomplete and therefore of no value. |
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Lee Wrecker 20th Dec 2020
| | I saw the 2LP version in the shop and it definitely had that address on it Phil. You can scroll over the back cover of that here to check. The other site entry for this release also shows that address as you have pointed out Phil. They were all (CDs and LPs) pressed at GZ Media Czech Republic and distributed by Universal International Music BV in Hilversum. If you live in the EU and the release says Universal International Music anywhere on the packaging like this the release is also intended for the international market. Anything on the Sanctuary label or BMG and Warners is also distributed here and available for order as a local release from any record store in the country or their official Australian websites. The Warner's Australia site might interest you Phil with your love of of old Stax/Atlantic soul. |
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PhilMH 20th Dec 2020
| | If this release shows the address of Universal International Music BV in Hilversum, Netherlands (as partial images in Discogs suggest that it does), then this is most definitely an international release, because creating releases for the global market is what that division (previously based in Baarn) does - the clue is in its name! Ditto for Sony Music Entertainment International Services GmbH in Gütersloh, Germany, which appears on many Sony releases distributed by their Australian company. |
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Lee Wrecker 19th Dec 2020
| | Every version of this release was released in Australia on the same date as listed here for the EU release. This particular release details can be found here on the site of one of Australia's biggest music retailers. I have previously requested that this release be made international. See previous comments and while some of my suggested corrections have been actioned this request has been ignored. Why? Is it the case the guidelines only apply to some parts of the world and not others? Or is it the case that guidelines don't apply at all? Furthermore, why is always that whenever I make corrections of this nature that they are repeatedly ignored and I have to re-submit them multiple times often with no response.
If I am wrong in this case could a MOD please contact me and explain why I am incorrect. Because if the site is really operating to a set guidelines that are not those posted I'd like to know what they are so I don't have waste time making corrections that will not be actioned. |
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kab2112 SUBS 18th Oct 2020
| | Newspaper Review (The Sun 9-10-2020) added |
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Lee Wrecker 17th Oct 2020
| | Fine by me but you could also change the cat# to 0602435002088 [Done 17.10.20 - JPGR&B Mod] as it appears on the CDs and sticker and change the country to international as this is widely available in Australia and nearly everywhere else in the world. The USA has a different release due to Capitol still holding rights and Japan also is unique as it always has been but the rest of the world gets the EU made product. This also applies to all EU made Universal releases of the Beatles and their solo work.
Last year's Abbey Road anniversary (1-6 CD) releases were all available in Australia and further afield as well so all of those are also international too. The difficulty that site users have in the EU is that most of the CDs they can buy are also available somewhere else in the world. I understand that people entering CDs don't necessarily know that but it makes for messy system of entry here on 45 Worlds and a lot of backtracking for the MODS...but them's the rules we live by. |
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JPGR&B SUBS 17th Oct 2020
| | Magic Marmalade - I think that's best. |
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Quad5point1 SUBS ● 17th Oct 2020
| | An eminently sensible and diplomatic resolution MM |
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Magic Marmalade 17th Oct 2020
| | Ok chaps, having mulled it over, I've settled on this compromise:
(For your collective approval)
...In order to be consistent with site policy (ish) (Even the full title: Gimme Some Truth... minus "The Ultimate Remixes" does not appear in full on any individual disc), I have removed "The Ultimate Remixes" from title at top, and simply expanded on the statement given in notes by original submitter, that this is a full-er title.
Anyone searching for this, therefore, will see the discussion here in comments, and the associated links if they should feel so inclined, and can consider themselves informed as to any ambiguity over title. |
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Quad5point1 SUBS ● 16th Oct 2020
| | I was merely pointing out that on that website it does give the title GIMME SOME TRUTH. THE ULTIMATE MIXES and you can make from that what you will. Maybe for the rest of the article they shortened it to Gimme Some Truth instead of repeatedly typing GIMME SOME TRUTH. THE ULTIMATE MIXES. Personally, and in the grand scheme of things, there are more important things to worry about in the present Pandemic climate than getting upset over a CD title and like I said before I really don't care one way or the other. |
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Lee Wrecker 16th Oct 2020
| | The same page more routinely refers to title like this "GIMME SOME TRUTH. will also be released as a 19-track CD or 2LP, a 36-track 2CD or 4 LP, and several digital versions for download and streaming including in 24 bit/96 kHz audio and hi-res Dolby Atmos." and this covers the multitude of types of releases available. I don't think it's that hard to work out. |
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Quad5point1 SUBS ● 16th Oct 2020
| | If you scan down the johnlennon.com website it says
"On October 9th, 2020, John Lennon’s 80th Birthday, in celebration of his remarkable life, a collection of some of the most vital and best loved songs from his solo career will be released via Capitol/UMe as a suite of beautifully presented collections, titled GIMME SOME TRUTH. THE ULTIMATE MIXES."
So it is hard to know what is right and what is wrong but as I said before I really don't care one way or the other. |
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Lee Wrecker 16th Oct 2020
| | At the store on johnlennon.com this set is listed as "GIMME SOME TRUTH. 2CD / Blu-Ray" the ultimate mixes is just promo mumbo jumbo added on to give people a reason to buy product that's been available so many times and in so many formats before. Nearly every back catalogue release is remixed before re-release so nothing unusual about that either.
Magic, what sort of consensus was reached? I was the only one that put forward a position on what this entry should be titled and why it should change. The response from others was they didn't care and offered no real validation of why it is named as it is. I would consider that the consensus is in fact that we change the title as the only one putting up evidence to back their position is me and no-one else cares.
The other site Diswrongs incorrectly lists this simply as "Gimme Some Truth" omitting the full stop. Surely we can get it right it's just the title as it appears on the cover and website. Correction sent. |
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Magic Marmalade 16th Oct 2020
| | Oh that's OK, if consensus is to keep things as they are, I'll leave it as is.
I just wondered where the second part of the title came from (assumed you had a reason for adding it - got it from somewhere :)... and if this is what this issue is known as... the name it goes by in polite society, then all's groovy.
(Thanks for the scan).
Nice work on making the entry too everyone... took some panel beating to get this new release squared up, but looks good! |
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Quad5point1 SUBS ● 16th Oct 2020
| | Personally speaking I couldn't care less what it's called but checking over on johnlennon.com they have The Ultimate Mixes in the title there, but you're probably right and it should be just Gimme Some Truth |
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Lee Wrecker 16th Oct 2020
| | Well, Magic, it certainly doesn't appear anywhere but on the sticker and how does that fit with site protocols regarding the actual naming of the product. Not well I'd suggest as label and cover would certainly take precedence according to the Gods of 45 Worlds. Renaming on the strength of a second sentence on a cover sticker is a very flimsy premise to rename a product in my view and according to my understanding of how the site works. Probably wrongity wrong wrong as usual but for mine and knowing that there are different albums with different track lists with the same "Gimme Some Truth" title I still think that that is actually the title without the extra "The Ultimate Remixes" bit that fans and collectors might use to separate releases.
To me it's just another Lennon compilation and the title should be "Gimme Some Truth.". Yes, with the full stop as it appears on the cover. Can Quad5point1 and rustieneil present a logical argument to suggest otherwise? The floor is yours ladies and gentlemen. |
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Quad5point1 SUBS ● 15th Oct 2020
| | Sorry MM. I don't know how I missed that as I had scanned it. Shrinkwrap sticker now added |
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rustieneil SUBS ● 15th Oct 2020
| | Magic Marmalade - "The Ultimate Remixes" appears on the case sticker, which hasn't been uploaded (yet). Can be seen on Discogs and other sites. |
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Magic Marmalade 15th Oct 2020
| | Can someone direct me to where the title has: "The Ultimate Remixes" on packing or discs on it, I cannot see this anywhere - spines perhaps?
If it isn't there, should that be removed from the title? |
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