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Artist:John Lennon
Title:Gimme Some Truth
Label:Universal Music Group
Country:International
Date:9 Oct 2020
Catalogue:0602435002088
Barcode:602435002088
Format:CD Box Set
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Community: 7 Own
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TrackArtistTitleComposerRating
CD 1
1-01John Lennon, Yoko Ono With The Plastic Ono Band Instant Karma (We All Shine On)John LennonRate
1-02Plastic Ono BandCold TurkeyJohn LennonRate
1-03John Lennon / Plastic Ono BandWorking Class HeroJohn LennonRate
1-04John Lennon / Plastic Ono BandIsolationJohn LennonRate
1-05John Lennon / Plastic Ono BandLoveJohn LennonRate
1-06John Lennon / Plastic Ono BandGodJohn LennonRate
1-07John Lennon / Plastic Ono BandPower To The PeopleJohn LennonRate
1-08John Lennon / Plastic Ono Band (With The Flux Fiddlers)ImagineJohn Lennon, Yoko OnoRate
1-09John Lennon / Plastic Ono BandJealous GuyJohn LennonRate
1-10John Lennon / Plastic Ono BandGimme Some TruthJohn LennonRate
1-11John Lennon / Plastic Ono BandOh My LoveJohn Lennon, Yoko OnoRate
1-12John Lennon / Plastic Ono BandHow Do You Sleep?John LennonRate
1-13John Lennon / Plastic Ono BandOh Yoko!John LennonRate
1-14John Lennon, Yoko Ono With Elephants Memory Plus Invisible StringsAngelaJohn Lennon, Yoko OnoRate
1-15John Lennon, Yoko Ono / Plastic Ono Band With Elephants MemoryCome Together (Live)John LennonRate
1-16John Lennon And The Plastic U.F.Ono BandMind GamesJohn LennonRate
1-17John Lennon And The Plastic U.F.Ono BandOut The BlueJohn LennonRate
1-18John LennonI Know (I Know)John LennonRate
CD 2
2-01John Lennon With The Plastic Ono Nuclear Band / Little Big Horns And The Philharmonic Orchestrange Whatever Gets You Through The NightJohn LennonRate
2-02John Lennon With The Plastic Ono Nuclear Band / Little Big Horns And The Philharmonic OrchestrangeBless YouJohn LennonRate
2-03John Lennon With The Plastic Ono Nuclear Band / Little Big Horns And The Philharmonic Orchestrange#9 DreamJohn LennonRate
2-04John Lennon With The Plastic Ono Nuclear Band / Little Big Horns And The Philharmonic OrchestrangeSteel And GlassJohn LennonRate
2-05John LennonStand By MeBen E. King, Jerry Leiber, Mike StollerRate
2-06John LennonAngel BabyRosalie HamlinRate
2-07John Lennon(Just Like) Starting OverJohn LennonRate
2-08John LennonI'm Losing YouJohn LennonRate
2-09John LennonBeautiful Boy (Darling Boy)John LennonRate
2-10John LennonWatching The WheelsJohn LennonRate
2-11John LennonWomanJohn LennonRate
2-12John LennonDear YokoJohn LennonRate
2-13John LennonEvery Man Has A Woman Who Loves HimYoko OnoRate
2-14John LennonNobody Told MeJohn LennonRate
2-15John LennonI'm Stepping OutJohn LennonRate
2-16John LennonGrow Old With MeJohn LennonRate
2-17John Lennon, Yoko Ono And The Plastic Ono Band With The Harlem Community ChoirHappy Xmas (War Is Over)John Lennon, Yoko OnoRate
2-18Plastic Ono BandGive Peace A ChanceJohn LennonRate
Blu-Ray Audio With 24/96 Stereo + 5.1 Surround + Dolby Atmos
3-01John Lennon, Yoko Ono With The Plastic Ono Band Instant Karma (We All Shine On)John LennonRate
3-02Plastic Ono BandCold TurkeyJohn LennonRate
3-03John Lennon / Plastic Ono BandWorking Class HeroJohn LennonRate
3-04John Lennon / Plastic Ono BandIsolationJohn LennonRate
3-05John Lennon / Plastic Ono BandLoveJohn LennonRate
3-06John Lennon / Plastic Ono BandGodJohn LennonRate
3-07John Lennon / Plastic Ono BandPower To The PeopleJohn LennonRate
3-08John Lennon / Plastic Ono Band (With The Flux Fiddlers)ImagineJohn Lennon, Yoko OnoRate
3-09John Lennon / Plastic Ono BandJealous GuyJohn LennonRate
3-10John Lennon / Plastic Ono BandGimme Some TruthJohn LennonRate
3-11John Lennon / Plastic Ono BandOh My LoveJohn Lennon, Yoko OnoRate
3-12John Lennon / Plastic Ono BandHow Do You Sleep?John LennonRate
3-13John Lennon / Plastic Ono BandOh Yoko!John LennonRate
3-14John Lennon, Yoko Ono With Elephants Memory Plus Invisible StringsAngelaJohn Lennon, Yoko OnoRate
3-15John Lennon, Yoko Ono / Plastic Ono Band With Elephants MemoryCome Together (Live)John LennonRate
3-16John Lennon And The Plastic U.F.Ono BandMind GamesJohn LennonRate
3-17John Lennon And The Plastic U.F.Ono BandOut The BlueJohn LennonRate
3-18John LennonI Know (I Know)John LennonRate
3-19John Lennon With The Plastic Ono Nuclear Band / Little Big Horns And The Philharmonic OrchestrangeWhatever Gets You Through The NightJohn LennonRate
3-20John Lennon With The Plastic Ono Nuclear Band / Little Big Horns And The Philharmonic OrchestrangeBless YouJohn LennonRate
3-21John Lennon With The Plastic Ono Nuclear Band / Little Big Horns And The Philharmonic Orchestrange#9 DreamJohn LennonRate
3-22John Lennon With The Plastic Ono Nuclear Band / Little Big Horns And The Philharmonic OrchestrangeSteel And GlassJohn LennonRate
3-23John LennonStand By MeBen E. King, Jerry Leiber, Mike StollerRate
3-24John LennonAngel BabyRosalie HamlinRate
3-25John Lennon(Just Like) Starting OverJohn LennonRate
3-26John LennonI'm Losing YouJohn LennonRate
3-27John LennonBeautiful Boy (Darling Boy)John LennonRate
3-28John LennonWatching The WheelsJohn LennonRate
3-29John LennonWomanJohn LennonRate
3-30John LennonDear YokoJohn LennonRate
3-31John LennonEvery Man Has A Woman Who Loves HimYoko OnoRate
3-32John LennonNobody Told MeJohn LennonRate
3-33John LennonI'm Stepping OutJohn LennonRate
3-34John LennonGrow Old With MeJohn LennonRate
3-35John Lennon, Yoko Ono And The Plastic Ono Band With The Harlem Community ChoirHappy Xmas (War Is Over)John Lennon, Yoko OnoRate
3-36Plastic Ono BandGive Peace A ChanceJohn LennonRate


Notes

Deluxe Edition.

Made in Czech Republic.

Although not stated on the cover itself, or discs, an additional piece of artwork, and the official website give the full title of this release as:

Gimme Some Truth - The Ultimate Remixes

...Includes:

2 x CDs
1 x Blu-Ray Audio with 24/96 Stereo + 5.1 Surround + Dolby Atmos
Deluxe 124 Page Book
2 x Postcards
1 x Bumper Sticker
1 x Poster

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Comments and Reviews
 
Lee Wrecker
20th Dec 2020
 Leonard, the Rounder label like Ace, Rough Trade, New Rose and the like would be classed as an independent label according to the site guidelines. Therefore, even when they have international distribution deals, like Disky from your country and the Bear Family from Germany we still list them as from the country of because of the labels independent status and usually as is the case with Rounder the niche (blues, rock) market they catered for. So we're not exactly comparing apples to apples here.
Universal International Music is not an independent record label or distributor but the International arm of UMG one the biggest players in the global music scene today. The problem you outline in regard to the international category making each country's individual "list ... incomplete and therefore of no value." is spot on but we're not doing "everything the same" and in fact everyone is doing their own thing and most of it outside the current guidelines.
I would prefer it if this could be listed as the EU, Australian and any other country as well where it was released but that is not how the guidelines are set. You know that the international category destroys national catalogues but unfortunately that means most of the EU catalogue of the major labels is international.
Now whenever, it is pointed out that something from the EU is international we get these protracted debates that seem to be about anything except the evidence. Shall I enter this same item as an Australian release? The links I have provided in an earlier comment confirm that it is and should I do the same wherever I see the same circumstances?
Any advice would be welcomed because from where I sit I could enter this same product as Australian, EU or international and be right on all counts.
 

 
leonard
20th Dec 2020
 Something to think about: Rounder Records had their distribution done in Europe by Continental Record Services in the Netherlands. When good sales were expected they pressed up their own stock (Made in Holland, BIEM/STEMRA), which we list as European. All other CD's were made in USA, but were also released and obtainable for a regular price in at least the Netherlands. Nevertheless we list them as from USA. In my opinion it doesn't matter how we list them as long as we do everything the same. Otherwise it's of no use assigning countries as each list will be incomplete and therefore of no value.
 

 
Lee Wrecker
20th Dec 2020
 I saw the 2LP version in the shop and it definitely had that address on it Phil. You can scroll over the back cover of that here to check. The other site entry for this release also shows that address as you have pointed out Phil. They were all (CDs and LPs) pressed at GZ Media Czech Republic and distributed by Universal International Music BV in Hilversum. If you live in the EU and the release says Universal International Music anywhere on the packaging like this the release is also intended for the international market. Anything on the Sanctuary label or BMG and Warners is also distributed here and available for order as a local release from any record store in the country or their official Australian websites. The Warner's Australia site might interest you Phil with your love of of old Stax/Atlantic soul.
 

 
PhilMH
20th Dec 2020
 If this release shows the address of Universal International Music BV in Hilversum, Netherlands (as partial images in Discogs suggest that it does), then this is most definitely an international release, because creating releases for the global market is what that division (previously based in Baarn) does - the clue is in its name! Ditto for Sony Music Entertainment International Services GmbH in Gütersloh, Germany, which appears on many Sony releases distributed by their Australian company.
 

 
Lee Wrecker
19th Dec 2020
 Every version of this release was released in Australia on the same date as listed here for the EU release. This particular release details can be found here on the site of one of Australia's biggest music retailers. I have previously requested that this release be made international. See previous comments and while some of my suggested corrections have been actioned this request has been ignored. Why? Is it the case the guidelines only apply to some parts of the world and not others? Or is it the case that guidelines don't apply at all? Furthermore, why is always that whenever I make corrections of this nature that they are repeatedly ignored and I have to re-submit them multiple times often with no response.
If I am wrong in this case could a MOD please contact me and explain why I am incorrect. Because if the site is really operating to a set guidelines that are not those posted I'd like to know what they are so I don't have waste time making corrections that will not be actioned.
 

 
kab2112 SUBS
18th Oct 2020
 Newspaper Review (The Sun 9-10-2020) added
 

 
Lee Wrecker
17th Oct 2020
 Fine by me but you could also change the cat# to 0602435002088 [Done 17.10.20 - JPGR&B Mod] as it appears on the CDs and sticker and change the country to international as this is widely available in Australia and nearly everywhere else in the world. The USA has a different release due to Capitol still holding rights and Japan also is unique as it always has been but the rest of the world gets the EU made product. This also applies to all EU made Universal releases of the Beatles and their solo work.

Last year's Abbey Road anniversary (1-6 CD) releases were all available in Australia and further afield as well so all of those are also international too. The difficulty that site users have in the EU is that most of the CDs they can buy are also available somewhere else in the world. I understand that people entering CDs don't necessarily know that but it makes for messy system of entry here on 45 Worlds and a lot of backtracking for the MODS...but them's the rules we live by.
 

 
JPGR&B SUBS
17th Oct 2020
 Magic Marmalade - I think that's best.
 

 
Quad5point1 SUBS
17th Oct 2020
 An eminently sensible and diplomatic resolution MM
 

 
Magic Marmalade
17th Oct 2020
 Ok chaps, having mulled it over, I've settled on this compromise:

(For your collective approval)

...In order to be consistent with site policy (ish) (Even the full title: Gimme Some Truth... minus "The Ultimate Remixes" does not appear in full on any individual disc), I have removed "The Ultimate Remixes" from title at top, and simply expanded on the statement given in notes by original submitter, that this is a full-er title.

Anyone searching for this, therefore, will see the discussion here in comments, and the associated links if they should feel so inclined, and can consider themselves informed as to any ambiguity over title.
 

 
Quad5point1 SUBS
16th Oct 2020
 I was merely pointing out that on that website it does give the title GIMME SOME TRUTH. THE ULTIMATE MIXES and you can make from that what you will. Maybe for the rest of the article they shortened it to Gimme Some Truth instead of repeatedly typing GIMME SOME TRUTH. THE ULTIMATE MIXES. Personally, and in the grand scheme of things, there are more important things to worry about in the present Pandemic climate than getting upset over a CD title and like I said before I really don't care one way or the other.
 

 
Lee Wrecker
16th Oct 2020
 The same page more routinely refers to title like this "GIMME SOME TRUTH. will also be released as a 19-track CD or 2LP, a 36-track 2CD or 4 LP, and several digital versions for download and streaming including in 24 bit/96 kHz audio and hi-res Dolby Atmos." and this covers the multitude of types of releases available. I don't think it's that hard to work out.
 

 
Quad5point1 SUBS
16th Oct 2020
 If you scan down the johnlennon.com website it says
"On October 9th, 2020, John Lennon’s 80th Birthday, in celebration of his remarkable life, a collection of some of the most vital and best loved songs from his solo career will be released via Capitol/UMe as a suite of beautifully presented collections, titled GIMME SOME TRUTH. THE ULTIMATE MIXES."

So it is hard to know what is right and what is wrong but as I said before I really don't care one way or the other.
 

 
Lee Wrecker
16th Oct 2020
 At the store on johnlennon.com this set is listed as "GIMME SOME TRUTH. 2CD / Blu-Ray" the ultimate mixes is just promo mumbo jumbo added on to give people a reason to buy product that's been available so many times and in so many formats before. Nearly every back catalogue release is remixed before re-release so nothing unusual about that either.
Magic, what sort of consensus was reached? I was the only one that put forward a position on what this entry should be titled and why it should change. The response from others was they didn't care and offered no real validation of why it is named as it is. I would consider that the consensus is in fact that we change the title as the only one putting up evidence to back their position is me and no-one else cares.
The other site Diswrongs incorrectly lists this simply as "Gimme Some Truth" omitting the full stop. Surely we can get it right it's just the title as it appears on the cover and website. Correction sent.
 

 
Magic Marmalade
16th Oct 2020
 Oh that's OK, if consensus is to keep things as they are, I'll leave it as is.

I just wondered where the second part of the title came from (assumed you had a reason for adding it - got it from somewhere :)... and if this is what this issue is known as... the name it goes by in polite society, then all's groovy.

(Thanks for the scan).

Nice work on making the entry too everyone... took some panel beating to get this new release squared up, but looks good!
 

 
Quad5point1 SUBS
16th Oct 2020
 Personally speaking I couldn't care less what it's called but checking over on johnlennon.com they have The Ultimate Mixes in the title there, but you're probably right and it should be just Gimme Some Truth
 

 
Lee Wrecker
16th Oct 2020
 Well, Magic, it certainly doesn't appear anywhere but on the sticker and how does that fit with site protocols regarding the actual naming of the product. Not well I'd suggest as label and cover would certainly take precedence according to the Gods of 45 Worlds. Renaming on the strength of a second sentence on a cover sticker is a very flimsy premise to rename a product in my view and according to my understanding of how the site works. Probably wrongity wrong wrong as usual but for mine and knowing that there are different albums with different track lists with the same "Gimme Some Truth" title I still think that that is actually the title without the extra "The Ultimate Remixes" bit that fans and collectors might use to separate releases.

To me it's just another Lennon compilation and the title should be "Gimme Some Truth.". Yes, with the full stop as it appears on the cover. Can Quad5point1 and rustieneil present a logical argument to suggest otherwise? The floor is yours ladies and gentlemen.
 

 
Quad5point1 SUBS
15th Oct 2020
 Sorry MM. I don't know how I missed that as I had scanned it. Shrinkwrap sticker now added
 

 
rustieneil SUBS
15th Oct 2020
 Magic Marmalade - "The Ultimate Remixes" appears on the case sticker, which hasn't been uploaded (yet). Can be seen on Discogs and other sites.
 

 
Magic Marmalade
15th Oct 2020
 Can someone direct me to where the title has: "The Ultimate Remixes" on packing or discs on it, I cannot see this anywhere - spines perhaps?

If it isn't there, should that be removed from the title?
 


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