Welcome to CD World's international secondary cat# game where all is not what it appears. Use Dr Doom's "identical" law in an arbitrary fashion and you can magically make CDs that are same different and vice versa as I am doing here. It's a lot of fun and no-one ever loses because everyone is always right depending on their own view of what constitutes a matching CD and by selectively choosing the evidence to suit you're always in the clear. It's so easy.
International or domestic release, it doesn't it matter! Argue your way to the top of the Bipoplar tree and confound other site members with insane nitpicking irrelevancies or even hard core facts in extreme cases.
I might come back next week and re-internationalise this one depending on my mood. A forum is urgently needed on what is actually an "identical" CD because everyone's interpretation is different. MODS also need to stop telling users that matching barcode, cat# and label is enough for a CD to be international as this is often not enough to convince the highly influential identical brigade. Forum time or carry on with this nonsense regardless?
Well, I'm not bothering to enter the other 6 CDs in this series I have until this one is sorted out by the MODS. If it isn't, I'll go the way of Jake Smarm with his 5000+ CDs and bugger off completely. This is just bullshit and a waste of everyone's time.
@Phil.Agreed Phil,and "International" is the "Elephant In The Room" with regards to CD Album world,which no-one seems to want to address,this issue of course needs to be sorted,and the sooner the better,to make it easier for all.I'm merely pointing out the way i do it,and have always understood it to be the right way? (no-one's told me different;).As we know,there is no easy solution,and this has been discussed many times in the past,and will continue to do so no doubt until an agreement/solution that satisfies all can be found.I've always felt that grouping CD's together was a mistake,and that perhaps the "International" option should never have been introduced in the first place,it would be good if perhaps the country of manufacture was your first option when adding a CD,i.e Disc/artwork indicated by flag/s in the same way,as well as having a choice of flags for the country of release,which could always be added later by members if you don't know it at the time,anyhow,i'm realise this perhaps is only one idea,and that many other ideas will be have to be tried/tested before everyone's happy.
If that's the case, Greg, I have to point out - yet again - that the guide for adding CDs only mentions matching the barcode, so either the guide needs to be corrected by someone to tally with your understanding, or your understanding needs to change! I appreciate that the site is free, and the work put into it by the admins and mods, but we can't have guidelines and rules that only a few people know about, they need to be clearly spelled out and accessible to everybody.
@Lee/Phil.I'd have to disagree with you both on this one.A database has to be based on certain "rules",and that rule has always been that CD's should only be combined to make International if the label/Cat.No/barcode match exactly,and it's a different country to that already entered.It's a rule i have stuck to since CD Album world was established,and it's a rule that works,the reason being that,with CD's,if there is even a slight difference (a space,a hyphen,or an additional number) in the primary or secondary Cat.No's,then that's there for a reason,it determines which country that CD was sold in.Secondary Cat.No's are therefore just as important as the primary Cat.No's,as here for example,the UK/European issues use 521 9070 and the Australian release 5219070,an example of a "space" indicating a different country of release(if,by the way,all the Australian issues of this release also don't have a space in the secondary Cat.No,then they too should be listed separately).We can't after all,just bung together all "similar" numbers of a worldwide release,otherwise,for example,there could be say 10 worldwide issues where the only difference between them are spaces,hyphens,additional numbers,because we'd end up with 10 sets of scans,with goodness knows how variations of each countries artwork all on one page,and unless each scan was correctly identified by country,and all the Cat.No variations were listed you can imagine the chaos that would ensue.So IMHO,all differences should be continued to be listed separately.If there is a difference,no matter how minor,they should all be taken into account.Looking around,the Australian release should have it's own separate entry,as the US release doesn't use a secondary Cat.No.Sorry to have to disagree on this one,but i feel it's important that we're all working from the same page ;)(i shall continue to list them apart,unless informed otherwise).
Full set of Australian issue CD scans added for moderation, shuffling into place and evidence for changing this release and all the CDs in this series to International.
Hi Greg, from this series I have the CDs Space Oddity, Hunky Dory, Ziggy Stardust, Station to Station, Low, Heroes,and Scary Monsters that all have the secondary UK Cat.No.(521 ----) you have mentioned. Also, I don't believe secondary cat #s are significant according to the current guidelines so I think all of the releases including USA and Canadian should be International regardless of whether or not they have a secondary UK cat no. or not. So, both Phil and I believe these should all be International. I'll add the missing booklet scans and a scan of my inlay to prove my copy is almost identical release to this listing. The one difference is that my copy doesn't have UK before the secondary cat# and if were going to get that particular we may as well scrap the International category because they will always be some slight differences beyond the cat#, barcode and date. I just see them as different editions of the same international release.
All the European/UK issues have a secondary UK Cat.No.(521 ----),whereas the US/Canadian/Australian releases don't they just used the 7243... Cat's so i think they should be left as they are (European) and any future Australian/Canadian/US additions should be added under International to differentiate.
Hi Lee, Platterlog of 25th October 1999 has this and most of the other Bowies as new releases, except for LET'S DANCE, which came out on 8th November. Definitely should be International if they were the same Euro pressings, or even if they were Aussie pressings with exactly the same catalogue number and barcode.
All of the Bowie 1999 24 Bit remaster enhanced CDs including a slide show and connection to "BowieNet" were released in Australia and therefore should be International if anyone is interested. Personally, I own four of these but I couldn't give a monkeys about where or how they are listed because this part of the site is so confusing it's overwhelming.