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Magic Marmalade 3rd Apr 2021
| | Italian entry made (linked below) and Bodston's scans moved there (with copy of greg's front cover) |
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gregs45s SUBS 25th Aug 2017
| | My apologies Quad5point1,i didn't notice that they (Italian ones) weren't your scans;) |
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Quad5point1 SUBS 25th Aug 2017
| | The remaining Inlay scans I added are from the UK disc |
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gregs45s SUBS 25th Aug 2017
| | Italian releases are entered separately. |
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Quad5point1 SUBS 25th Aug 2017
| | Added all remaining Cover Inlay scans |
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ppint. ● 21st Jun 2015
| | manic marmalade: there was certainly a time (or two?) in the seventies (& eighties?) when a couple of uk music chains desperate to stay afloat imported a container-load or several of both remaindered, and "instant remainder" cassettes from italy; and a lot of the latter looked distinctly dodgy - crappily-printed labels glued & aligned erratically, in shoddily-mfd cassette cases - no "snap" to their excessively-loose closure, so they fell open on the slightest touch, disgorging their cassettes all everywhichway, and poorly- (& cheaply-) printed card inserts - typeset in standard printer's fonts, in black upon a one-sided, one-colour ground, t'other side in black-on-white - or left blank - with no statement(s) of the recordings' sources, prior publication dates, copyright dates, song publication dates, publishers, nor even their writers...
- these may have been exploiting a real loophole in international copyright (etc.) law; but i always assumed that their producers were organised (at least semi-organised !-) ) criminals, and the cassettes either the products of complete copyright piracy, or perhaps infringing the rights of mostly merkin music megafauna, too tardy to take notice in time to tackle the things - the way it's popularly posited apatosaurus (?sp? - diplodocus redesignated) took ten minutes to perceive his/her skin had been punctured.
- and cds are so much cheaper to produce, than cassettes - you can afford to print up a good pirate photocopied front insert, even if it's only one thickness of light card, or paper... |
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Magic Marmalade 20th Jun 2015
| | He he....
....One day someone has got an awful lot of work to do correcting entries where vinyl, tapes, and CDs were submitted before classical world came about, and vice versa, not to mention programmes for festivals on memorabilia before live music, and a thousand other things that ought perhaps be somewhere else (Country designations included!). |
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gregs45s SUBS 20th Jun 2015
| | No problem MM,you weren't to know.Italy is indeed a member state of the European Union,and as such,it's CD's should have,from the beginning of CD Album Worlds perhaps have been amalgamated with corresponding European releases,but they weren't, there are now 233 Italian CD's on the site,so merging them with their European counterparts would,as you can imagine be somewhat of a headache,and that is why (i think?) we are asked to enter Italian CD's separately.
PS. (I could of course be entirely wrong,in which case,ignore all of the above:). |
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Magic Marmalade 20th Jun 2015
| | Apologies.
...I'm with you in that case.
I vaguely recall there being something to do with Italy in particular (Due to their rights authority SIAE) doing their own thing for an extended period, and not playing ball with other European nations, but not sure if this is resolved now or not (?)
I wonder though if we're looking for logic where none exists as far as European manufactured and marketed CDs go... bit of a free for all? |
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gregs45s SUBS 20th Jun 2015
| | Hold on there MM!,i've always said that Italian issues should be entered under Europe,and indeed have argued the case in the past,but to no avail,and was told simply to enter all Italian CD's as a separate entry under "Italy".So on this site Italy is not a part of Europe "Capisce":) |
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Magic Marmalade 20th Jun 2015
| | Dr Doom made a statement on this somewhere on forums (Which I can't find now!), but there was this thread, which was merely a culmination of various discussions taking place across many CD entry's comments threads:
CD entries
However, in this particular case, I disagree with Greg, as bodston's back cover scan shows a UK cat number too, neaning it was intended for another market (other markets (?)) than merely the Italian one, so to me, this simply says: Europe.
In summary, early CDs were made in particular countries for their own markets, the way vinyl records were in days of yore, but through the process of the European market prgressively unifying, CDs began to be manufactured in different individual nations within Europe, for many other European markets, even with exactly the same title (Cat No. etc.) being produced in different countries for the same markets, purely according to the production capacity of a given plant, versus the popularity of the title, and so on....
Eventually, you will find that a single copy of any given title is an assemblage of parts manufactured all over creation, but being the same product (look at Dark Side Of The Moon 1994, for instance) with the cover being printed in Holland, say, while the disc inside is made in UK, or elsewhere.
The important thing is the market it was intended to be sold in, hich determines the entry Country:
Was it purely for on country ((Enter by that Country), For more thatn one country in Europe (Enter as Europe), intended to be sold in Europe and beyond (Enter as International).
I personally look for something on the CD which will determine this, such as the Made and Printed in Italy, accompanied by a UK cat No. (like Bodston's scans) = Europe. |
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plocky45 20th Jun 2015
| | I would also appreciate some guidance.
If a release has been specifically for Italy, I would enter it as Italy. However, if I have bought a CD in the UK (not an import), and the disc or printed was made in Italy, I would enter the CD as either UK if I thought that was the extent of the issue, or Europe if I thought it was a wider release. I have tried to be guided by the jurisdiction of release.
Thanks |
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leonard 20th Jun 2015
| | Can somebody direct me to that Italy discussion?
For me it's the same thing (cat no, barcode), just a different printing job |
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Bodston SUBS 19th Jun 2015
| | How bizarre. How is Italy not Europe? OK, I will move it. I must have missed that vote.
Now linked at the bottom of the page. |
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gregs45s SUBS 19th Jun 2015
| | Yes,you're quite right but we had a (lengthy) discussion in the past about this and it was decided to submit any "Made In Italy" CD's separately,so it will need it's own entry,i.e,a new one. |
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Bodston SUBS 19th Jun 2015
| | Really! I am surprised. This is a standard European release. The disc matrix even has EMI Swindon on it. It was not just an Italian issue. |
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gregs45s SUBS 18th Jun 2015
| | On this site Italian CD's are entered separately. |
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Bodston SUBS 18th Jun 2015
| | Added scans of my 'Made in Italy' copy. Otherwise identical to the existing version. |
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gregs45s SUBS 11th Jun 2015
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