Hi Greg, my grandmother always said to me, if you touch the hot potato you'll burn ... as you can see I have not pulled back my hand even though I'm not the more qualified Mod. if there is a problem I try to solve it. :)
@robozuc.We have always listed any differences in Cat.No's separately
73008 26020 2 is not the same as
73008-26020-2 nor is
73008 260 20 2 the same either,otherwise they would have written them the same.Close,is not the same;)
Spaces,hyphens etc are often the indicator of the country whilst the label/barcode may be shared.If the intention is,and has always been,to basically keep countries separate,then this is still the road to go down.If however the intention/want is to bung everything together under International,then yes,i agree,Cat.No. differences could perhaps be added to the notes,but also consider what that would entail,multiple Cat.No's (searches?) and multiple images,which,at present,are not being identified by their country.Imagine if you will,searching for Queen CD's if nearly everything was International?,what surely defines a CD is it's country,and i suspect that is what most people search by,maybe some by Cat.No/barcode,but surely,not so many.That's why i personally feel that the International road is one we maybe shouldn't have even gone down in the first place,anyhow.With regard to my request to add the following countries to the notes,USA/Brasil/Canada,that was because the images are on Discogs,and i checked them,(and just double-checked them;)i didn't just pull them out of the air;).If i hadn't requested that "USA"be added to the image descriptions here,"USA" would have just been wiped out when the change was made to International,and images 336289/290 would have no identity,i've said this in both the forum and posts to Mod's but no one seemed interested.It doesn't matter that a list of countries may be incomplete,i think we should use what we know in the present and more countries can be added as time goes on.Whatever decision is made as regards the International debate,Moderator's and members all need to be on the same page to avoid confusion.
Addenda @robozuc.Apologies if the above sounds like a rant,and it's not directed at you,but i've always thought this was the correct way of doing things,and am getting a bit confused nowadays when i'ts questioned,and thereby question my advice to other members,i'm not a Mod at the end of the day,just someone who tries to maybe help with other members queries,so please forgive any inaccuracies.Of course,i realise that Discogs is no "Bible"(what is online?),and have alwaysadvised people to check other sites for confirmation,but i don't have many catalogues personally,and use them only because it's one of the few places online that list multiple versions of a CD.
And now, we have an International entry but "International" not comprising Europe (what is the correct definition? semi-int./america continental :), just because in the cat.n., with the same numerical sequence, there are two hyphens (same barcode).
I can't dispel my doubts!
About the idea to put in the Notes the issuing countries (there is a pending request by Greg) I agree but we should be sure that the list is complete, even on Discogs (it's not the Bible) may be missing some releases of other countries and sometimes there are not correct images to support them.
I see, this one, in this way:
- unique International entry
- specify in Notes the difference between the two cat.n.
73008 26020 2 Europe - India - Jamaica (made in EC)
73008-26020-2 USA, Brasil, Canada, Malaysia...and probably more
-logically images will have country description (USA) (Europe) ...
Phil, this is CD world and commonsense and usual practice counts for nothing here. Spaces, hyphens and preceding zeros are all the go in wonderful CD world.
I would have thought that, as the barcode was the same, and the catalogue number is the same except for the dashes, that the European disc could have been added to this entry as a second catalogue number. Vinyl LP world has second catalogue numbers added to entries when there are differences in alpha prefixes, so I can't see why it would have been a big deal to have all releases with the same barcode and a tiny variation in the cat number here. Hopefully it won't be too long before we get a definitive answer from management.
It's been pointed out to me that my "European" copy has no hyphens in the catalogue number which technically makes it a different release (at least here on 45Worlds), so I've now entered The European version of this as a separate issue.
@RogerFoster.Hi,there's Brasilian,Malaysian and Canadian issues on Discogs with exactly the same Cat.No./Label/Barcode combination,so International (I've put a request in:)
Maybe this should be an "International" release, as it came out in Europe with an identical Cat# and Barcode, although the European pressings did have additional logos for Arista and BMG, which are not on the US Version (see images 988434 and 988443).