CD re-issue of Stax LP #714 (rel. January 26, 1967).
Recording dates: December 1966, except tracks 1 and 8: July 1966.
Original credits:
Cover design: Ronnie Stoots.
Supervision: Jim Stewart.
Sleeve notes by Deanie Catron.
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Reissue producer: Yves Beauvais.
Digitally remastered from the original stereo master tapes by Bill Inglot and Dan Hersch at DigiPrep.
Includes fold-out insert. Original back sleeve is reproduced.
Now Phil don't go putting the cat among the pigeons and opening the "international" debate. You are however right in that the guide to adding CDs only requirement is to search for the barcode and if it exists the inference is to add your CD to that page. Sounds simple enough but just try to change an entry on this basis alone and there'll either be howl of objections or deafening silence as is the case here.
When I started entering CDs a number MODS told me that a matching cat#, barcode and label would make a CD international. A little later I was advised that anything made in Australia is Australian regardless of matches to other data. In the guide to adding countries posted by Dr. Doom there is mention that CDs need to be "identical" in order to be considered international.
So this is where we are, working with guidelines that vary from the very broad (barcode only) to "indentical" which in some cases includes secondary cat#s, number spacing, hyphens and secondary distributors.
The problem is that depending on how you interpret the instructions (for want of a better word) you can pretty much enter a CD as you personally see fit and still be within what we might call usual practice on the site. It is a very messy affair and one that I thought I was close to coming to grips with until my last foray in CDWorld revealed more problems than I'd initially imagined. I'm still thinking about it though.
I'm going right back to basics though and thinking if I was to enter a CD and had that CD in my hand what could CDWorld expect me to use as data to enter it. We are the only site I'm aware of trying to invent our international category and think we may need to revisit that decision because you can't expect site users to use anything but what's on the CD to enter it. Not having to go off trawling the net to find that it was also released in Mexico (more common than you'd think) with the same details and this now makes your Australian CD international even though either version would be hardly to appear in both territories.
Discwrongs as I call it or the other site as others call it, does this much better than us and it is easy to find your disc on their site. The details may not be spot on but you can find things quickly and easily. We have chosen a different path, concocted our own nebulous criteria that requires knowledge from beyond the item at hand and if it is listed as international it then becomes more difficult to find and certain domestic details are lost.
So currently after having used all the methods described above I'm back to where I started when I first hopped planets from Vinyl World and I'm using the "what is says on the tin" method as this is the only thing I can be certain about of the way things stand at the moment. Discwrongs homepages also look better and are easier to navigate which brings to the next problem CD World homepages. Just look at ourThe Beatles page - not an album released during their time together as a band on the whole first page. That though is also a result of the cataloging system on CDWorld and I think the whole thing needs an overhaul from the concept of the World to the way it it operates. The problems are bigger than just agreeing that from now on it's going to be a certain set of criteria to make a disc international.
I'm going to stop now ... could go on and on... but better to ruminate some more before I can get something together to discuss in a forum. That will be at least 2 weeks away though - I'm going to Melbourne next week to rifle through the record bins searching for gold.
Ah, but the barcode is the same, which, as Lee and I have pointed out before, is the only pre-requisite mentioned in the guide to adding CDs. And I would argue that the European number is just a variation on this number 80283-2, so the same number with the addition of a prefix. Different users and mods have different interpretations, and the arguments have been going on for some time, so it needs to be resolved one way or the other once and for all, and for me that means either adding to or completely rewriting the aforementioned guide.
Revisiting this because it came up at random, the Fall 1991 Schwann Sepctrum catalogue has this as a new release, with month of release stated as June. I didn't start getting the ICE Newsletter until October that year, and can't get the full date, and Billboard from that period doesn't seem to have any mention of this. As for the International issue, someone PLEASE make a decision fast!
I have the German pressing, also released in Australia, which has the same barcode but catalogue number is in the format 7567-80283-2. Should that be combined with this entry, or created as a separate "International" entry? Discogs has release year as 1991, which tallies with my recollection, as I think most of these Stax reissues were issued in the months or year following the first Stax singles box set, which came out in 1991. I might have the exact date in an old issue of the ICE newsletter, but it might be a while before I can get to it!