CD Album - Iggy Pop - Brick By Brick - Virgin

CD Album

Artist:	Iggy Pop
Title:	Brick By Brick
Label:	Virgin
Country:	Australia
Date:	1990
Catalogue:	CDVUS 19
Barcode:	5012981001926
Format:	CD Album
Collection:	I Own It I Want It
Community:	1 Owns
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Track	Artist	Title	Composer	Rating
01	Iggy Pop	Home	Iggy Pop	Rate
02	Iggy Pop	Main Street Eyes	Iggy Pop	Rate
03	Iggy Pop	I Won't Crap Out	Iggy Pop	Rate
04	Iggy Pop	Candy	Iggy Pop	Rate
05	Iggy Pop	Butt Town	Iggy Pop	Rate
06	Iggy Pop	The Undefeated	Iggy Pop	Rate
07	Iggy Pop	Moonlight Lady	Iggy Pop	Rate
08	Iggy Pop	Something Wild	John Hiatt	Rate
09	Iggy Pop	Neon Forest	Iggy Pop	Rate
10	Iggy Pop	Starry Night	Iggy Pop	Rate
11	Iggy Pop	Pussy Power	Iggy Pop	Rate
12	Iggy Pop	My Baby Wants To Rock And Roll	Iggy Pop, Slash	Rate
13	Iggy Pop	Brick By Brick	Iggy Pop	Rate
14	Iggy Pop	Livin' On The Edge Of The Night	Jay Rifkin, Eric Rackin	Rate

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Lee Wrecker 26th Jan 2016		Regardless of current rules and procedures it seems we as a community are deeply divided on the issues with the International category in the CD albums section of 45 Worlds. Here are some observations from my experience of using this part of the site. 1. The first task you need to complete when as site user you want to enter a CD is "choose the country the CD album is from" if the answer turns out to be NOT what is written on your CD then the answer wrong, illogical and will confound site users and most likely deter them from entering CDs in the future. Many site users are currently in this predicament and have happily catalogued most of their collections on 45 Worlds but are hesitant to confront this part of the site. 2. The International category is not the "catch all" I think it was imagined to be when this part of 45 Worlds was set up. There are often; - slight differences in barcodes (the preceding "0" or extra number being common variations) - slight differences in cat#s eg. Australia has penchant for reducing a cat# that has hyphens and spaces to a single string of consecutive numbers. 3. The matching International CD releases are rarely global but rather regional or shared by a small number of countries. So the idea that this category would bring releases together and simplify the entry process and homepage listings has not necessarily turned out that way at all. The homepages are very messy particularly for big name acts. 4. Having entered about 300 CDs in last month no matter what decision I make on the "choose a country" I'm invariably wrong. In my experience collectors and site users are fiercely defensive about their local national release and my attempts to have USA, European and UK releases made International have often been met by hostile resistance. On the flip side going by the "what's written on the CD" route will often see your entry changed from the country you have entered to International. It can be and often is a no win experience. This is definitely not a user friendly part of the site. So we certainly have a divided community Internationalists and Nationalists and both camps can manipulate the current rules to suit either point of view but this generally results in a lot of time wasting and pointless argument and friction between members and MODS. So here is my suggestion of how we could perhaps solve some of these problems. This CD is listed as; Artist: Iggy Pop Title: Brick By Brick Label: Virgin Country: Australia However, a German release may exist with the same label, cat# and barcode. If that were to turn up rather than meld the entries would it possible to have two linked entries as follows; Artist: Iggy Pop Title: Brick By Brick Label: Virgin Country: Australia / International (hyperlink to other releases with same label, barcode and cat#. and, Artist: Iggy Pop Title: Brick By Brick Label: Virgin Country: Germany / International (hyperlink to other releases with same label, barcode and cat#. In general my feelings are that the country of origin/release must stay for ease of input from members and from a searching for a release perspective. If a CD has be made International and user is, lets say, entering a UK made copy of that same CD, I believe they will be more likely to enter the UK version than click "I Own" on the International listing. My big concern is endless duplication once CDs have been classified International. So back the the good old country model for mine I'm afraid. Any thoughts appreciated.



PhilMH 26th Jan 2016		While everyone is thinking about which option is preferred, something I can do is to digitize my collection of Platterlog new release sheets from August 1988 up to 2008, and upload them to 45spaces. I have just done my first one, for the week of 1 August 1988, so you can see what the basic format is - it would change a little over time, but it is important to note that for LPs, tapes and CDs there is a separate "Imports" section, which lists those releases being distributed by import distributors, as distinct from those imported by a local branch of a record company and which were considered to be "local" releases. Bear in mind that I am on a bit of a learning curve with Adobe Pro Dc, and that the text recognition can be a bit temperamental, but hopefully these won't be too hard to search. I'll try to do at least one weeks' releases each day, and will probably then consolidate them into larger documents equal to Platterlog's quarters (Feb-Apr, May-Jul, Aug-Oct, Nov-Jan). I'll also cross my fingers that there won't be any copyright issues with this - Platterlog has been defunct for several years now, and I forget who bought their assets, but I hope they won't mind (or even notice) my doing this.



PhilMH 26th Jan 2016		Other options are: (1) Allowing multiple countries to be entered for a single item, as Rate Your Music does. I don't know how easy or difficult that is from a technical standpoint, nor how well it works for RYM (I haven't yet tested searching for country there); (2) If a single item is known to be released in more than one country, then duplicate the item for each country that it is released in (both Discogs and RYM have the ability to copy an existing entry). I seem to remember suggesting this once before, and was told "it would create too many entries" or something along those lines, but it is no different from many country releases being created for singles in 45cat or LPs in 45worlds. That would solve the problem of different release dates in different countries. Where it could get confusing is where pressings from more than one country are released in the same country at different times (as with many Australian companies initially importing o/s pressings for local release, then repressing them in Australian factories later). In those circumstances, I would say combine all pressings released in that country under one entry, and use the first release date of that barcode/cat no. Option (1) may be preferable in that it would take up less database space, but may be the more difficult technically. Option (2) would have the advantage of having a distinct entry for each known country of release, and probably make searching easier, but would take up more database space.



The_Vinyl_Junkie SUBS 26th Jan 2016		This is the only "Disc World" that doesn't put entries into individual countries. As the entries grow the display for an "Artist" becomes messy and awkward to find a particular "Title" for a particular "Country". The only way for it to stay reasonable with this form of display is to go along with PhilMH's idea of giving away with "Country" altogether. With that said it now leaves a lot of discography options unavailable: such as, release dates for individual countries of a particular Title, the discography of an Artist in a particular country, and so on. I have been dwelling on this for some time and for every thought I have had that may work kept running into a brick wall of problems. If nothing else this may keep Iggy Pop on the top 50.



Pomegranate 26th Jan 2016		A question: How do the CD worlds handle a member wanting to see, in the future, a complete discography of labels' releases in a country - let's say Australia? There could nvever be one as the entries would be scattered all over the place.



RogerFoster 25th Jan 2016		Interesting idea PhilMH, but I suspect the "Country of Release" is set-in-stone here. I think the problem (if there is one) is that the whole database/application design of 45Worlds was cribbed from that of the sister site 45Cat, and with 7" singles in the 1960s/1970s "Country of Release" was seen as important .... indeed I still physically store my 7" singles divided into "Country of Release". I think that, with the international trade agreements of the past 40 years, not to mention supra-national entities such as The EU, the relevance of "Country of Release" has faded away and just about everything is available just about everywhere. Of course not everything is actively marketed everywhere (I'm thinking of promo-copies being sent off to Radio Stations/Magazines etc., Ads on Radio/TV, Articles/Ads in Magazines etc.) However it does seem that the big recording industry companies will quite happily release something in one territory and then use the same packaging, barcode, etc. to create versions in other parts of the world, sometimes using local manufacturers to create the physical product. One interesting anomaly I can think of concerns Hip-O-Select, which was Universal's specialist CD "collectors" division. Their releases were originally only officially available in the US via mail order and the Hip-O web-site, but other US retailers rapidly started to also sell them via their web-sites. Shortly afterwards some shops in The UK also started to sell Hip-O releases, having no-doubt bought a few copies from Hip-O in some bulk-purchase agreement, and some releases became quite strong sellers. After a while some whiz-kid at Universal in London started to wonder why the UK office wasn't involved in this and it was decided that Hip-O would only ship to addresses in The US and that their releases would be "Issued" in other parts of the world by the local offices of Universal. The result was that releases such as "The Complete Motown Singles Volume 10" were also "released" in the UK, with local advertising etc., and yet the product is physically identical to the US one. Here at 45Worlds it is shown as a US release .. in reality it is "International" ... and yet unless you knew the story behind it all there would be no way of knowing.



gregs45s SUBS 25th Jan 2016		Interesting one Lee,it depends on whether the Mods think it's "Virgin" or "Virgin America".I see "Virgin Records America" on the back of the booklet,"Virgin America" and "Virgin Records America" on the rear tray artwork,but strangely,only has the standard "Virgin" logo on the Disc,no "America" underneath,although it again has "Virgin Records America" to the right,under CDVUS 19.If it's decided that it is indeed "Virgin America" then it does match the German issue exactly on Discogs,and so would be International,if however it is decided that it's just "Virgin",then it would be correct left as it is now,a stand-alone Australian entry.Hope that helps;)



PhilMH 25th Jan 2016		Another idea - let's do away with the country field completely for CDs - no country of manufacture (not necessarily the same as country of release), no country of market (not always easy to pin down), NOTHING. Just use the barcode as the primary identifier, and the user who enters it to add a comment about where it was made and retailed. Other users can then add details and scans of their copy with the same barcode, with appropriate comments.



Lee Wrecker 25th Jan 2016		Sheesh, more protocols than proper processes. I know that another CD exists and therefore this is an International release according the rules of the site but because one is not listed here, I list as Australian (wrong by the rules of listing releases) and if the other release turns up the MODS change my Australian to International (extra needless work for the MODS). Then when I go look for the Australian listing at a later date it's gone and learned Esperanto and joined International brigade. I think I'll just swerve the whole International fiasco that this site seems unable to resolve and go back to entering the same way as I did for LP's, CD Singles, 45's and 12" Singles where I never had a problem at all (other than minor mistakes). So I'm going back to entering everything as it says on the tin and doing no more research that just gets me into pointless debates where everyone has a different concept of how things are done. I'll whack 'em in and they can sort themselves from now on. Well now I don't have to deal with that barrell of monkeys it'll be a lot quicker process from now on. Unfortunately the International fiasco is not the only problem in CD world the band homepages are ridiculous - check the Queen or Beatles page and try and find something from the 1980's - then go to Discogs and look for the same thing. There's a big difference in usability between the two sites. Never mind still got scans to do! Cheers to everyone who has tried to help me but I'm going back to me old ways from some distant lands. Lee



PhilMH 25th Jan 2016		But if a German (or wherever) CD has exactly the same barcode, and same or similar cat number, then its images can be added to this entry. That's been my understanding all along based on the guide to adding CDs, and Dr. Doom's forum post guide to adding country.



Pomegranate 25th Jan 2016		I suggest leaving it as it is. The German disc does not have "Made in Australia by Disctronics".



Lee Wrecker 25th Jan 2016		So Phil, we should change the label to Virgin America AND change the listing to International on the basis that German edition listed @ http://www.discogs.com/Iggy-Pop-Brick-By-Brick/release/2856019 has the same label, cat#, and barcode. Do you think that would be appropriate?



PhilMH 25th Jan 2016		Hi Lee, might as well make it Virgin America. Searching for just Virgin in the labels search here picks up Virgin America too, so this should be found whichever search term is used.



Lee Wrecker 25th Jan 2016		Now that I look at it more closely I can see that on the CD it is the old Virgin logo yet on the inlay it is the Virgin America logo and the copyright is to Virgin Records America Inc. What to do? Should we leave it as Australian or change it to International?



Lee Wrecker 25th Jan 2016		There is a German version with the same cat# and barcode but it is released on Virgin America whereas this Australian version is just on the plain old fashioned Virgin label.

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