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| Composer | Camille Saint-Saëns |
| Orchestra / Ensemble | Philharmonia Orchestra |
| Conductor | Charles Dutoit |
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| 01 | Philharmonia Orchestra, Charles Dutoit | Phaéton, Op.39 | Camille Saint Saëns | Rate | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| 02 | Philharmonia Orchestra, Charles Dutoit | Le Rouet D'Omphale, Op.31 | Camille Saint Saëns | Rate | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| 03 | Philharmonia Orchestra, Charles Dutoit | Danse Macabre Op.40 | Camille Saint Saëns | Rate | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| 04 | Philharmonia Orchestra, Charles Dutoit | La Jeunesse D'Hercule Op.50 | Camille Saint Saëns | Rate | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| 05 | Philharmonia Orchestra, Charles Dutoit | Marche Héroïque Op.34 | Camille Saint Saëns | Rate | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| Lee Wrecker 15th Mar 2018 | gregs45s there is nothing new about how this site determines country based on where the record is released rather than where it is made. Before 45 Worlds existed and when I started uploading singles on 45Cat back in Dec 2013 I learned this lesson the hard way when I incorrectly listed this French made Philips release as from France. I used the same logic as you are applying here but that is not the way the site works. I'm a bit surprised you haven't come across this situation before because it was only a matter of weeks on the site before it caused me problems. Now that I'm used to the process it makes perfect sense to me now but it can be a little disconcerting when you think you have uploaded something correctly only to find the country needs to be changed because of where the item marketed and distributed. | |
| gregs45s SUBS 4th Mar 2018 | With all due respect,it should perhaps be made clear that LP's are still to be entered by country of manufacture,after all,in reality,only a small percentage of members will be aware of the distribution history of any particular record surely,so,if it's made in a European country say the Netherlands,for instance,unless you know that it was issued in either another European country (in which case European),or elsewhere worldwide (in which case International),it should be entered as just "Netherlands" (or wherever it was made),and left at that,then,if at a later date,a member has information about it's distribution,it can be changed. It's bad enough on CD Album World,please,lets not confuse members further when it comes to adding an LP,let's have at least one world where items can be added under the country of manufacture,for simplicity,even if they might indeed need to be changed at a later date. (PS I of course realise,that many records were made in one country for distribution in another,and may not have been sold in the originating country,but,i believe that the country of origin should be the one that members use when adding an album,as a first port of call,unless,of course,they know otherwise at the time of posting) (PPS An identification issue may also arise,at least when it comes to searches,if,for example you are searching for this "Netherlands" release in particular, the only way to find it will be by actually clicking on this "International" release to see where it came from ,because the only mention the "Netherlands" will get,is in the comments or notes , i.e,if you tap in "Camile Saint- Saens Netherlands", it currently does not find anything,because "Netherlands" has not been added to the notes,so we will need to make sure that any countries are added to the notes if changing to "European" or "International",a point i've made in the past (if you see where i'm coming from ;) Addenda : In all honestly,i don't think that changing an entry to International serves any purpose,if an entry is known to have been issued in more than one country,then surely,in terms of search-ability,rather than changing the entire entry to "International"as we are currently doing,and as such,losing it's "identity",that it would be better to simply add to the notes : "Issued in......." "Issued in ......" That way,the counties are searchable as they are in the notes,and it's ID left as "Netherlands",again,to aid searches,otherwise we will end up with thousands of "International" albums,with no clue to their origin,because all you will be presented with is a thumb-nail of the album cover and "International". | |
| Gill Sans SUBS 3rd Mar 2018 | Thanks for debating this, Guys. Inconvenient as it is, many other records will need changing to 'International' like this | |
| Lee Wrecker 3rd Mar 2018 | It's international as PhilMH has pointed out they always were. | |
| Magic Marmalade 12th Feb 2018 | I think the mess that came out of the CD era infected the rest of the formats, in terms of who made what for sale where... ...commerce, trade deals, and new political dealings and market openness meant everything began to go everywhere. (I've noticed on a couple of my most recently issued Decca SXLs that as well as the country of manufacture, details for offices of the company are given first for Europe wide distributuion, then with the U.S too, making them international - which this has too, by the way, in the blurb on the bottom right at the back of the sleeve) "Things fall apart... the centre cannot hold" | |
| PhilMH 12th Feb 2018 | Hi greg, it's country of release all across these sites, otherwise there would be no need for the International "country". And be wary of assuming that something pressed in a European country is available only in Europe - as my previous comment indicated, London labelled classical product for the USA and Canada (where MCA held the rights to the Decca name before the formation of Universal Music Group) was also pressed in the Netherlands, and this fact was trumpeted in their ads in the Schwann catalogue. Ditto some pressings on Philips and Mercury, and many Deutsche Grammophon German pressings going back as far as the 1950's were available worldwide - jazz producer Bob Thiele's autobiography stated that DG only renewed their then distribution deal with US Decca on condition of German pressings being exported to the USA, because they were unhappy with the quality of the US pressings (Thiele was a Decca/Coral exeecutive at the time). Some other examples I am aware of are Angel label pressed in Germany for the US market (sometime in the 1980's, I think), and Verve, Mercury and EmArcy jazz reissues pressed in Japan for the US market (though I think both of these instances showed the US distributors on the covers and/or the labels). Yet another is the UK Ace, Kent and related reissue labels, who had much vinyl pressed in France or Germany, but are primarily UK releases (I'm not sure that Ace/Kent have ever had international licensees, apart from P-Vine in Japan). Country of manufacture may be a good starting point in the absence of other information, but be prepared for an Australian contributor to point out that a Euro Decca or DG pressing was also released here by the local branch of the label. | |
| gregs45s SUBS 12th Feb 2018 | @PhilMH Thanks for the extra info,as for the International thing though,i'm not sure to be honest,don't we still use the country of manufacture when it comes to vinyl albums? (i haven't added any vinyl for a while,or has it changed?),i.e Netherlands,otherwise,surely,all the entries on Vinyl Album world from the Netherlands or Germany etc.,and that have European retail price/distribution codes,will need changing to Europe,if that's the case. | |
| PhilMH 12th Feb 2018 | Hi guys, I've added November 1981 as the approximate release month, as this was listed as one of Decca's new releases in a shop ad in that month's Gramophone. Also, I think the country should really be International, as PolyGram closed Decca's New Malden factory after their takeover, and moved all vinyl production to the Netherlands, including the London labelled pressings for the USA and Canada. The first three tracks first appeared on CD in 1986, combined with Dutoit's recording of CARNIVAL OF THE ANIMALS (London Sinfonietta, Pascal Roge, and Christina Ortiz), on Decca (or London) 414 460-2. Via Schwann, I discovered that there was a 1991 London Jubilee (and Decca Ovation elsewhere) release of this whole album plus HAVANAISE and INTRODUCTION & RONDO CAPRICCIOSO on 425 021-2; see Discogs. | |
| gregs45s SUBS 11th Feb 2018 | ;) Indeed MM,i'm sure these reviewer's think we all have £50-grand hi-fi's in an anechoic chamber at home;) (PS have you noticed i've time-warped back to gregs45s? (oh!,to be young again;) | |
| Magic Marmalade 11th Feb 2018 | Being TAS listed is like getting some kind of holy stink on your record, you can sell it for oodles more cash than other records, because people still, for the most part, believe their opinion is the word of the Audiophile God of speakers and turntables :) (I've had many where they haven't appeared on any of these lists, and actually sound better than some that have - although, often they have a point). ((I think, as well, you pretty much have to have your own private empty warehouse or aircraft hanger, fitted only with a million pound stack of equipment, and a chair for you to sit there like Maxell man with your hair blown back in order to appreciate the difference)) | |
| gregs45s SUBS 11th Feb 2018 | Ah,yes,good spot MM,i did wonder what the "TAS Listed" was all about,will look out for them from now on,cheers :) | |
| Magic Marmalade 11th Feb 2018 | Ah, a popsike search reveals a very telling detail in the listings: "TAS listed". Anything included in one of those TAS (The Absolute Sound (magazaine)) lists bumps the value up a fair bit. It could also be that for some reason this never appeared on CD a little later in the decade, so this might be the only way to get this recording. It's fairly late in the SXL series too, so whether sales were down, due to some other label stealing their thunder by this point, might make this a rare one anyway. | |
| gregs45s SUBS 11th Feb 2018 | This one seems to command a fairly hefty price ( and here) for a 1981 album,any ideas why? | |
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