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Topic: CD Albums: Time To Bite The Bullet Pt. 1 The Problem

2nd Jul 2017, 10:47 PM
	Lee Wrecker If you can't dig me, you can't dig nothin' Member since Nov 2013 2283 Points	Members of the economic region the EU or the geographical region? There are a lot of CDs released in the Ukraine that seem to find their way around the place. Switzerland is not in the EU and the UK will be opting out soon. I haven't seen (any?) many products that have "made in Europe" on them. Are we assuming that the EU moniker refers to the actual European Union or the Europe the geographical region? I'm not sure can anyone clarify the situation. Other than that I'm with Jake on how he sees what we should about listing things here in CD World. Recent posts referring to publishing rights, price codes and the like as indicators of place of release are not to be trusted as these are often copied the world over (sloppy artwork is the culprit). Dr. Doom's (linked above) "how to determine country advice" is in my opinion not very helpful. The examples given for international (EMI) and local (Domino) are not accurate. EMI CD's are produced and shipped worldwide there is no doubt but even in the age of globalisation they have many country specific or regional idiosyncrasies. For instance the UK cat# on EMI releases will often appear on Australian CDs but spaced differently and EMI USA cat#s are often completely different. In fact it is a very rare CD that has matching EU/UK and USA cat#s so most major label CDs will have at least this division. The usual scenario is that Japan also will have a different cat#/barcode set up and there may be other discrepancies from region to region around the globe. So the majors (including EMI) do not distribute the same CD internationally, they tend to make 5-6 different versions usually each with slightly or significantly different details. So lumping these together causes problems and has led to site users squabbling over publishing rights, sec. cat#s, local distributors on CDs labels and any manner of tiny differences that separate releases. On the other hand EU or USA produced CDs that are shipped globally to other markets listed on the site are not made international usually due to lack of evidence. It is very hard to prove that my EU and USA made CDs were in fact released in Australia (they were) but I don't want to argue the case for each and everyone of the 300-400 I own as every time I enter this territory it is a protracted exchange that requires hours of research. It would be much easier if the CD was listed as an EU or USA release and I could add my country somewhere on the page from a list. Rather than have to argue with MODS and the original poster that their plainly EU or USA release is in fact international. Most users do not like even getting in to this debate never mind coming off second best. Next, Domino may be a UK independent label but it has offices around the the world and in the USA prints and manufactures CDs and LPs. Its products are distributed globally like those of Rough Trade, 4AD, Cartel, Beggars Banquet and they all go through a worldwide network of independents set up by Martin Mills (XL Recordings and Beggars Banquet founder) so in a strange way the independents are more international than the majors in certain instances. Now, back to basics, this site is essentially a database but when the data we're being asked to enter doesn't match the data at hand I think we may be making a mistake. The assumption that everything that every major company releases is international is not one that pans out in reality. We need to go back to the information or evidence at hand as the basis for entering items otherwise no-one will be able to find anything, the database itself will be of little value and duplicate entries will be an ever increasing problem. Anyway the MODS are still grappling with all of this and hopefully some solutions will be floated or arrived at soon. By the way thanks to everyone that has contributed to this thread so far. Edited by Lee Wrecker on 3rd Jul 2017, 12:29 AM