| danceband91
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mister_tmg wrote:
I would assume that when the record companies did monthly new releases, the records were available from the start of each month. Given that the book is based on shipments to stores (ie. what the shops were buying, rather than customers), perhaps that makes sense - as soon as new product was available, the stores would order it in.
Yes, I think that makes sense - the charts basically follow the monthly supplements. In fact there are occasions where records chart at the beginning of the month despite being physically released only later in the month, e.g. the first batch of MGM records were only available from 23-Jan-48, but were charting at the start of January.
Given the charts are based on orders, we should perhaps take records that charted for only 1 week at the beginning of the month with a pinch of salt. These must have sold less well than predicted, given that the shops did not have to top up their initial orders (based presumably on predicted sales), at least not significantly enough to continue charting.
mister_tmg wrote:
I believe the CLPGS had access to EMI Archives and other record company data for doing these books, so the information could have been from EMI's own sources. For Decca, I don't know if that's the case, and the CLPGS F series listing has some records which probably weren't even released. It also fails to list Twenty / Summertime In Venice by Gracie Fields (Decca F 10614) - I don't have the book, but looked at it in the British Library. Instead it lists Ballyhoo / Cloudburst by Ted Heath under this number. Take 2 of the latter title came out on F 10624, coupled with Malagueña. I can only guess that the Gracie record was a late addition to the catalogue, and maybe the Ted Heath disc was originally planned for F 10614.
Good to know that the data for the CLPGS Columbia books are from the original source - they would definitely have the 'official' release date then. Sounds like the Decca F-16014 entry is maybe just a mistake. What are the records it lists that were probably not released?
mister_tmg wrote:
A spreadsheet listing this would be good, which could then be analysed. I guess the Britburn spreadsheet would be a good starting point, and the release dates could then be added in... quite a task, I know! I'd help out if anyone else had a go. Covering the NME chart era would probably be a good start, as that's the era of more interest to us.
What period does the NME chart era cover? Up until 1960? Getting started wouldn't be too difficult I think. As you say, the Britburn spreadsheet has all the catalogue numbers, and date78 has dates for most of Columbia, HMV & Parlophone for the 50s (although there may be a few errors). It would be just a matter of a few hours to populate the spreadsheet with those dates. I might have a go at it. I suppose some of the later ones would only have been released on 45.
Pridesale wrote:
So we only need a quick list of these 16 to work out what happend, most likely the sales sheets catching up to reality rather than a planned world
I'll hold off putting out a list until I've got release dates for all the records, and once I've double-checked the data.
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