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| 11th Jan 2014, 11:22 PM | #1 REPORT | |
 | cvalda44 Member since May 2013 436 Points | I have a question to mods, please check if the country is correct here: http://www.45worlds.com/vinyl/album/tplp1016 Please read the submitter's comment. It explains the situation well. The only difference between UK and US versions is an extra sticker on the US version. So I think, if we keep UK and US versions within one entry, the country should be UK (as the country of origin) and all this entry needs is an extra picture of backcover without US sticker hopefully added by someone in the future. But if these versions should be separate then the label should be Nonesuch i guess (and cat# should be 528477-1 from the sticker). Edited by cvalda44 on 11th Jan 2014, 11:25 PM |
| 12th Jan 2014, 7:13 AM | #2 REPORT | |
 | PhilMH Member since Jan 2012 1055 Points | In my view, intended for the US market, with US catalogue number, so should be entered as US. Unstickered copies should have a separate entry as UK release. |
| 12th Jan 2014, 8:31 AM | #3 REPORT | |
 | nboldock Lend me ten pounds and I'll buy you a drink. Member since Feb 2012 7198 Points Moderator |
PhilMH wrote:
In my view, intended for the US market, with US catalogue number, so should be entered as US. Unstickered copies should have a separate entry as UK release.
This. Stuff probably needs fixing here. I've only just got up though and I still haven't finished Cup Of Tea #1 so it might have to wait a while!  Edited by nboldock on 12th Jan 2014, 8:32 AM |
| 12th Jan 2014, 1:17 PM | #4 REPORT | |
| cvalda44 Member since May 2013 436 Points |
PhilMH wrote:
In my view, intended for the US market, with US catalogue number, so should be entered as US. Unstickered copies should have a separate entry as UK release.
And i think the US cat# from the sticker should be added as second at least. But i believe such stickers may bring to a dangerous area. Sometimes it can be difficult to work out, if a local sticker is a label sticker or distributor sticker or just shop sticker. I am also interested how do you treat a retail item with promo sticker ? A separate entry or not ? Edited by cvalda44 on 12th Jan 2014, 1:24 PM |
| 12th Jan 2014, 2:59 PM | #5 REPORT | |
 | An6y66 Member since Jul 2012 1817 Points | I would have thought it should be in the UK discography under export issue? Unless we make a new section to mark as Imported release in the US discog.? Also with regards to promo stickers if the promo stickered copy has the same track listing, cat. no etc. to the public release then add the image to the standard release with a note that it's the Demo release. |
| 13th Jan 2014, 12:23 AM | #6 REPORT | |
| PhilMH Member since Jan 2012 1055 Points |
cvalda44 wrote:
PhilMH wrote:
In my view, intended for the US market, with US catalogue number, so should be entered as US. Unstickered copies should have a separate entry as UK release.
And i think the US cat# from the sticker should be added as second at least. But i believe such stickers may bring to a dangerous area. Sometimes it can be difficult to work out, if a local sticker is a label sticker or distributor sticker or just shop sticker. The way I see it, the primary label and catalogue number for the USA are Nonesuch and the number on the sticker, with the original label and catalogue number to be added as seconds. If a release with a sticker is difficult to work out, just raise a question here in the forums, or you might have some luck searching the back issues of Billboard in Google Books to see if there is an ad or an article documenting the release. The idea of a new tag for "Imported Release" is a good one. These kinds of releases usually aren't specifically intended as "export issues" in the way that, for example, some UK Decca and London pressings were. A parallel existed in Australia and New Zealand, where Festival Records commonly imported LP's (and later, CD's) of the more "marginal" musical forms like jazz, blues, reggae and world music, and stickered them with their own catalogue numbers (usually within the 39000/40000/41000 ranges) for local distribution (they usually included the L, C or D prefixes, but sometimes they didn't). To all intents and purposes, those were Australian/NZ releases which were pressed in the US or UK. |
| 13th Jan 2014, 10:16 AM | #7 REPORT | |
| An6y66 Member since Jul 2012 1817 Points | Yes I think the Import tag instead of an export tag is better. At least this would mean the record would show up in the country of release's discography. For instance I think the beatles UK export LP's could be moved into the USA discography under import, as they were mostly intended for release there, instead of being hidden right at the bottom of the UK list. |
| 13th Jan 2014, 10:33 AM | #8 REPORT | |
| nboldock Lend me ten pounds and I'll buy you a drink. Member since Feb 2012 7198 Points Moderator | I think for this release: - It should be under USA (which it is) - The label should be Nonesuch (as that is how it was released in the US) - The catalogue number should be the Nonesuch one (ditto) It isn't an Export Issue as that classification refers to a record created SPECIFICALLY for export to another country (which this isn't). Yes it is imported from abroad to the USA but as it is then stickered with a new label ID and catalogue number then it becomes a US release. For my mind an "Import" is brought in from another country and sold "as is", it's not re-labelled or given a new catalogue number or label. - There should also be an entry for the UK release without the rear sticker and on the original One Little Indian label (with their catalogue number). No doubt that will appear in due course. I guess we could create that now really and duplicate the images (except the back cover) since they are mainly the same. It might be useful for clarity to include a note pointing out that a US version also exists that uses the UK pressing but has a distinct catalogue number (they'd be linked anyway of course). - Lastly... it's a very good album! |
| 13th Jan 2014, 10:37 AM | #9 REPORT | |
| nboldock Lend me ten pounds and I'll buy you a drink. Member since Feb 2012 7198 Points Moderator |
cvalda44 wrote:
I am also interested how do you treat a retail item with promo sticker ? A separate entry or not ?
Not a separate entry for this, unless the track listing differs in some way. You could just scan/photograph the cover with the promo label and add to the main entry (we'd like to see promo stickers/stamps of course). Edited by nboldock on 13th Jan 2014, 10:40 AM |
| 13th Jan 2014, 10:53 PM | #10 REPORT | |
| GEMSMFAN Member since Jan 2013 3324 Points | This LP is a U.S. limited edition colored vinyl release. The UK didn't actually manufacture it's own, but instead imported U.S. copies applying a UK sticker with catalog number, to the shrinkwrap packaging. IMO, it should be in the US discography, as an export release Notes: should indicate it's activity and the catalog number go as secondary. Should this release be unpackaged, with packaging be discarded, it clearly is U.S. The record(s) themselves have no alternate numbers. I agree too, this release should include the UK sticker as a closeup image to accompany the comments in Notes. Edited by GEMSMFAN on 13th Jan 2014, 10:58 PM |
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