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| ......posting images on Tape Media.......a mild rant. |
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| 29th Jun 2014, 3:02 PM | #1 REPORT | |
 | YankeeDisc SUBS When in doubt.......accelerate........ Member since Dec 2010 734 Points | ....people, when we post our images on the site, all of which are wondrous, can we please be careful how we crop the image before posting, as I have noticed a few "scalpings", and that ain't right...... Cassettes seem to be the most popular item uploaded, and for the cassette shell can we post a full image like..... ..................this.......................  ........................................or this  These two below are not so good   ...I am not castigating anyone, it is just as easy to crop the image a couple of gnat's whiskers larger, and then it is perfect. Also, can we have a moderators ruling that the main image shown is the image presented as you observe an item in its cassette case or slip cover, where available. (I don't mean include the plastic cassette case as well, although I have one or two to include later, which will be added at bottom of an entry as one of the supplementary images). CORRECT, in my opinion..................  TOO MUCH showing for the main image, part can be cropped and added to supplementary images...............  I do hope that this is of use, so that the images are all matching in quality. |
| 29th Jun 2014, 10:42 PM | #2 REPORT | |
 | JPGR&B SUBS My aim - to add all my collections on 45worlds. Member since May 2009 4552 Points Moderator | I agree. |
| 29th Jun 2014, 11:33 PM | #3 REPORT | |
 | TopPopper Member since Mar 2013 2612 Points | Me too, on both counts. When I do a casette scan I try and crop it so the two side lugs can be seen, as in the first of your examples. They are usually out of focus as they aren't on the bed of the scanner, but I think the cassette looks more whole that way. (Or is there a case for just cutting out the label, as we do with records?... maybe not...) |
| 30th Jun 2014, 5:45 PM | #4 REPORT | |
 | Redpunk SUBS Crates Are For Digging Member since Aug 2012 25448 Points Moderator | I would also agree on all the worlds the front image should be the same as what you would see at the point of sale display in the shop. Regarding tape images the problem I find is scanners don't like the clear and white cassette shells I think this is what has caused the poorer images. |
| 2nd Jul 2014, 6:01 PM | #5 REPORT | |
| TopPopper Member since Mar 2013 2612 Points | Is this the preferred style then? Just the front panel of the insert as the main image? The reason I ask is that I did some work on the UK Beatles cassettes, but several still have the whole unfolded insert showing. I am happy to make cropped images for the main ones, but am concious that it will mean tinkering with someone else's work. |
| 2nd Jul 2014, 6:33 PM | #6 REPORT | |
| YankeeDisc SUBS When in doubt.......accelerate........ Member since Dec 2010 734 Points | ....this is tricky, because I do not want to upset those posters, who may for their own reasons post an image showing a complete front inlay card which is a maximum of 800 pixels across the bottom, and shows up to four folded inlays. That is their choice. It is obvious that if such a relatively small an image is edited, then much smaller satellite image(s) will result by splitting the component images, and there is no use enlarging them by much, as they will lose all clarity. At the end of the day, I guess we're trying to present the best of the best, so we do need a starting point, as the site grows. Maybe we should encourage the posting of larger images, or variants, as we progress, so that we can move towards a perfect medium. I do know that Discogs limits all their images to 600x600 pixels maximum, so we have an edge there, which is exploitable, providing we post large clear images. |
| 2nd Jul 2014, 9:42 PM | #7 REPORT | |
| lorangrecords SUBS (Ulf) Member since Jan 2013 5822 Points Moderator | According to the Please, Pleae Me image shown here, I would like the front and the edge. There is very much info on the edge, and almost none on the front. The "back" could go for itself I belive. The edge for itself is in my opinion too small for an own living. |
| 3rd Jul 2014, 10:23 AM | #8 REPORT | |
| TopPopper Member since Mar 2013 2612 Points | Having the front, spine and back section laid out as per Please Please Me has the advantage of being roughly square, like with a record sleeve. That also means where a tape has sideways artwork, it can be turned the right way up without looking odd. If we did decide on a standard format I think it would have to be either that or just the front panel. I think having any more than that in the main image would weaken its impact. At the moment we are seeing a real mix of styles - it would be nice to have a set one, so that we could make the imagery uniform. Of course chopping out the relevant part of the insert doesn't mean the rest is lost - it will still be there as a complete scan on the tape's page. |
| 3rd Jul 2014, 11:07 AM | #9 REPORT | |
 | nboldock Lend me ten pounds and I'll buy you a drink. Member since Feb 2012 7247 Points Moderator | I think the front panel (alone) should be the first image which is in keeping with CD worlds and so on. A fuller image including the front panel should be the next image. And then you add the rest depending on what there is. Like this... Of course the fuller images may need to be split into more than one image if it's one of those large foldout inlays, for example. But the first image should be the "front cover" for me, for sure. Like on CD singles. |
| 3rd Jul 2014, 11:09 AM | #10 REPORT | |
| nboldock Lend me ten pounds and I'll buy you a drink. Member since Feb 2012 7247 Points Moderator | (Though I've just realised I over-cropped the cassette images on that one  ) |
| 3rd Jul 2014, 2:35 PM | #11 REPORT | |
| YankeeDisc SUBS When in doubt.......accelerate........ Member since Dec 2010 734 Points | ....I would like images (all of 'em) big enough so I can read them.....they're as about as much use as a chocolate tea pot if you cannot read the info............ Some members excel at the posting of images, others, well I have to ask, "why did you bother.....it's crap....."......can't read a thing.....  |
| 3rd Jul 2014, 3:00 PM | #12 REPORT | |
| nboldock Lend me ten pounds and I'll buy you a drink. Member since Feb 2012 7247 Points Moderator | It's important to remember though that our membership covers varying degrees of IT-savviness and not everyone is a whizzo with a scanner or a computer. However of course the benefit of having a community like this is the added bonus of being able to share technical know-how as well as gab about records and whatnot. A great many users who started out all over the place with the scanning are now among the experts! |
| 3rd Jul 2014, 3:11 PM | #13 REPORT | |
| TopPopper Member since Mar 2013 2612 Points | Is it worth trying to set down a policy for the lead image for cassette inserts? The site isn't so huge (yet) that we can't bring what we have into line as we go, but as it expands it would be nice to have a fixed format. First choice seems to be just the front panel. Should we go with that, understanding that existing listings will be subject to a change of main image? Or should we let it be? |
| 3rd Jul 2014, 6:29 PM | #14 REPORT | |
| JPGR&B SUBS My aim - to add all my collections on 45worlds. Member since May 2009 4552 Points Moderator | I support front panel first, as nboldock shows above. |
| 5th Jul 2014, 8:14 PM | #15 REPORT | |
| Iggypig Pop cassette lover Member since May 2013 331 Points Moderator | The Hills Have Eyes one is mine, and not to be funny, but I don't have a scanner and just haven't got the time to fanny about with getting a digital camera picture completely perfect, you can see what it is and that should be good enough. |
| 5th Jul 2014, 10:40 PM | #16 REPORT | |
 | An6y66 Member since Jul 2012 1817 Points | I see what people mean with just the front cover being the primary image as that is what you see. But in terms of the cassette I agree with iggypig the important information on the label is seen, I don't think the screws holding the tape shell together add much to the image. I can't personally see anything wrong with the "wrong" cassette images in the original post |
| 9th Jul 2014, 10:34 AM | #17 REPORT | |
| BiggieTembo Member since Mar 2014 101 Points | Great discussions guys - I both agree and disagree with a lot of the points raised here, but accept what comes into the site as a record - and an historical record at that - of what products were available out there in the ether all those years ago. Different tastes and styles of display are evident, yes, but this is linked to User's time and energy as well as their scanner and printer model's ability to do fancy things. Then of course you have to go to a graphics program and tailer the image to the site. In many cases the patience of Buddha is required, but as you get used to it, it comes quickly... Personally, I would say that the inlay front panel should always come as the main image, and the rest to be shown big enough and clear enough so that information can be read easily. However, as much information as possible is always best - screws on cassettes are not important to some, but to others they relate which tape duplicating plant produced the cassette for which record company at which date (much like vinyl dead-wax stamps and lettering). This can be cross-referenced with inlay styles, company logo styles, inlay printer identification codes, whether the labels are paper or printed directly onto the shell... etc. ...all these things can help put the jigsaw puzzle together in a chronological/historical context. Let's just get the stuff uploaded, and if anyone feels the need to replace with improved images, then all the merrier. If anything is lacking, or of particular interest, why not also ask them that uploaded for the information required, if need be? People are always happy to oblige, even if they are not so IT savvy as earlier suggested. It's worked for me on Vinyl Albums with the odd dead-wax info here and there ;-) Edited by BiggieTembo on 9th Jul 2014, 10:42 AM |
| 9th Jul 2014, 12:06 PM | #18 REPORT | |
| nboldock Lend me ten pounds and I'll buy you a drink. Member since Feb 2012 7247 Points Moderator |
Iggypig wrote:
The Hills Have Eyes one is mine, and not to be funny, but I don't have a scanner and just haven't got the time to fanny about with getting a digital camera picture completely perfect, you can see what it is and that should be good enough.
I think we can only ask users to do their best and we appreciate every contribution - and equally, every contribution (or most of them) definitely add something to the site even if the images aren't perfect. 99% of images are better than nothing. As you know we often get better images uploaded later on in any case, just as has always been the case on 45Cat and the other worlds. So we see things not only added anew but also improved as time goes on. Across the world we must have millions (?) of items to be added so I think we can live with the odd dodgy image here and there, temporarily at least. Of course we can still learn from each other as we go, too. My own first images weren't all that great but I like to think what I add nowadays is much improved. |
| 9th Jul 2014, 1:16 PM | #19 REPORT | |
 | Magic Marmalade If you're not lost... It's not an adventure! Member since Jun 2014 3765 Points Moderator | Added a couple of tapes I had lying around myself... and the site supports the ability to edit an "existing" image, but I think it's better to take what images you can from people, as well as they can do them, and them perhaps others can edit later, or replace with a better quality one if you have the equipment, so the site image database quality "evolves" over time. ...But the thing is, what if someone has a very rare tape (CD/vinyl/etc.) but not great equipment... it would be beneficial to take whatever image can be provided so at least it's function as an identification resource is there, even if the detail or presentation is not quite there... I'd rather be able to see roughly what the thing looks like first, and worry about quality as a secondary consideration. |
| 9th Jul 2014, 8:47 PM | #20 REPORT | |
| nboldock Lend me ten pounds and I'll buy you a drink. Member since Feb 2012 7247 Points Moderator |
Magic Marmalade wrote:
Added a couple of tapes I had lying around myself... and the site supports the ability to edit an "existing" image, but I think it's better to take what images you can from people, as well as they can do them, and them perhaps others can edit later, or replace with a better quality one if you have the equipment, so the site image database quality "evolves" over time.
...But the thing is, what if someone has a very rare tape (CD/vinyl/etc.) but not great equipment... it would be beneficial to take whatever image can be provided so at least it's function as an identification resource is there, even if the detail or presentation is not quite there... I'd rather be able to see roughly what the thing looks like first, and worry about quality as a secondary consideration. Absolutely. |
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