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  11th Aug 2014, 5:36 PM#21  REPORT  
zabadak

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So, is this "classical"? :confused:

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  11th Aug 2014, 5:41 PM#22  REPORT  
TopPopper

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If the music is played in a manner that respects the intent of the composers, I'd say yes. If he's popped them up, I'd say no. I've never heard the album (perhaps fortunately).


  11th Aug 2014, 8:30 PM#23  REPORT  
Magic Marmalade

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Perhaps what is needed is a kind of diagnostic system, like an algorithm whereby, if, after a process of asking particular questions agreed on by the community here ( Let's say a ten question point system say), an item, maybe a CD, agrees with 7 out of the ten, or even a minimum of six questions out of the ten (giving a sixty per-cent agreement, or point score), it is deemed admissible as a "classical" item.

If an item meets the minimum requirement in any permutation of six of the ten questions, then it can be admitted... perhaps even allowing for the possibility that it meets the standard for categorisation in both the classical world, and in the general catalogue by format, perhaps a rule could be created whereby the performing artist(s) general background, according to their back- catalogue, places them predominantly as a classical artist, or a popular artist performing in a classical style...

As the Paul McCartney example shows, I'd say his background, and back catalogue would generally determine where any work he has done "in a classical style" should go... that, in my view, placing it alongside his body of other work for the sake of grouping, by format... but in the instance where a generally considered classical artist like... erm,,, Placido Domingo say, decides to recreate the Led Zeppelin IV album, it goes with the rest of his catalogue in the classical world, as a classical item.

Questions on the point scale might include:

1. When the piece was written or composed (before the advent recording technology or instruments using electricity (Definitely Classical)
2. Regardless of the date or style of original composition, is it rendered in a classical style, using classical instruments (non electric at least, and who's design predates modern recording technologies(the principle enabler of popular music))

... Can't think of others off the top of my head just now, but I'm sre you get the gist, and can add a point or two.

(off topic for a moment...Should William Shatner have his own world? ... he certainly defies categorisation!)


  14th Aug 2014, 9:19 AM#24  REPORT  
Pridesale

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I added a new thread on Classic FMs List of composers, which might help (or not) On their site the composers link to the qualifying works.

Brass/(Military) Band music argueably has a place here due to collectiblity/interest in Performers/Conductors/Composers and often a cross-over from Classical works.

My own criteria used to be if I could not follow the tune for more than 30secs then it must be classical. (I prefer 'Early Music' Genres- C19th Germanic works just get a touch to tedious for me.

As to performers would the Sky albums fit well here.


  14th Aug 2014, 9:21 AM#25  REPORT  
nboldock

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I suppose we could also ask the question "would a classical collector buy this?" though this will be a better question if/when we have some more users with specific interests in this type of music.

To be honest I don't think it'll cause as many issues as we think it will.


  14th Aug 2014, 9:27 AM#26  REPORT  
TopPopper

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Isn't there a classical album chart? I wonder what their criteria are?

Likewise that Penguin guide to classical CDs. They must have some criteria too.


  14th Aug 2014, 10:38 AM#27  REPORT  
Redpunk SUBS

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Brass band music is normally on Radio 2 (British light music station) where as classical music is on Radio 3 i.e. symphonys, concertos etc. Again it depends on how strict you wish the guidelines to be.


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