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  16th Apr 2015, 9:26 PM#1  REPORT  
Records4Fun

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I recently acquired a large collection of Monty Python records which I started uploading on this site. And, as these are Monty Python records, nothing seems normal.
- An old classical record sleeve is scratched out and reused ;
- record labels do not have the track listings but absurd stories;
- An enormous amount of different label variations;
- all kind of gadgets tucked away like double grooved, locked groove, a free flexi disc, inserts “to become a great actor”, a sleeve which can be folded out into a box, insert sleeves with fake records, etc. More silliness than in a Jack White album.

It’s a lot of fun going through all this.

But here’s my thing. There is also a Charisma Mad Hatter record label which is smaller than normal. The diameter of this paper label is about 1 cm smaller than the average label. I had never seen that before! Another Monty Python Record
I cropped the images to the size of a normal label to show the difference with a normal size label, leaving a black vinyl ring (which is not according to the Image Guidelines). I also asked not to edit these images. But my moderator made these images editable………

My questions are:
1: Does anyone know if there are more records with these small labels or is this another silly Monty Python thingy?
2: If a label has a different size, shouldn’t we make this visible (like I tried to do)?



  16th Apr 2015, 10:08 PM#2  REPORT  
Redpunk SUBS

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As far as Lps most likely but in the 78 world very common. As for cropping image, usually just crop as normal but use the notes section to indicate the size of the label if this is noteworthy. Also the image approval list is separate from the record approval list so the mod would just consider the label badly cropped. Having checked image history it was me.


  16th Apr 2015, 11:58 PM#3  REPORT  
Juke Jules SUBS

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Upload the labels again, and make a 'correction' note about them just to make sure!
I'm sure Redpunk will approve and replace the images
Delightfully bizarre record btw


  19th Apr 2015, 2:02 PM#4  REPORT  
Neil Forbes

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Redpunk wrote:
As far as Lps most likely but in the 78 world very common. As for cropping image, usually just crop as normal but use the notes section to indicate the size of the label if this is noteworthy. Also the image approval list is separate from the record approval list so the mod would just consider the label badly cropped. Having checked image history it was me.
I did recall, some years ago, seeing a British-issue London(label) LP, could've been a Roy Orbison compilation, the label did not extend out to the full width of the surface area of the disc allocated for the label.


  19th Apr 2015, 6:17 PM#5  REPORT  
Magic Marmalade

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My copy of The Rolling Stones: Rolled Gold, with the black labels has these "small" labels, but others with black labels cover the whole surface:

The Rolling Stones: Rolled Gold



  23rd Apr 2015, 1:55 PM#6  REPORT  
Neil Forbes

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Magic Marmalade wrote:
My copy of The Rolling Stones: Rolled Gold, with the black labels has these "small" labels, but others with black labels cover the whole surface:

The Rolling Stones: Rolled Gold
Those LPs with the smaller labels - they pop up occasionally but they're oh so rare!


  28th Aug 2015, 3:31 AM#7  REPORT  
W.B.lbl

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Records4Fun wrote:
There is also a Charisma Mad Hatter record label which is smaller than normal. The diameter of this paper label is about 1 cm smaller than the average label. I had never seen that before! Another Monty Python Record
I cropped the images to the size of a normal label to show the difference with a normal size label, leaving a black vinyl ring (which is not according to the Image Guidelines). I also asked not to edit these images. But my moderator made these images editable………

My questions are:
1: Does anyone know if there are more records with these small labels or is this another silly Monty Python thingy?
2: If a label has a different size, shouldn’t we make this visible (like I tried to do)?
The use of smaller labels - 3.625" in diameter, essentially 45 RPM labels used for LP's - were generally attributable to one plant - Sonic Recording Products of Holbrook, NY. I've seen a few pressings with such small labels and 45 RPM label design, namely a few of Dick Clark's 20 Years Of Rock 'N Roll compilation, although the entry as currently constituted does not have them up yet.

I presume that the label sheets used by Sonic had the 45 labels spaced center-to-center identical to how LP labels were spaced on such sheets (namely, 4.25" center-to-center)


  28th Aug 2015, 9:19 AM#8  REPORT  
Magic Marmalade

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While this is only anecdotal evidence, I've found with a couple of mine (and a couple of observations of others), that in the UK, it seems to have been Decca (Deram, maybe others Decca made) who went in for the small labels briefly in the early seventies... but quickly abandoned them.


  28th Aug 2015, 8:35 PM#9  REPORT  
W.B.lbl

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Magic Marmalade wrote:
While this is only anecdotal evidence, I've found with a couple of mine (and a couple of observations of others), that in the UK, it seems to have been Decca (Deram, maybe others Decca made) who went in for the small labels briefly in the early seventies... but quickly abandoned them.
It'd be U.K. Decca all right. Their "small" LP labels were still a bit larger than the 45 labels.

Meanwhile, I just remembered another U.S. label that used smaller center labels for LP's: Jubilee.


  29th Aug 2015, 2:16 PM#10  REPORT  
Neil Forbes

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I have three Gilbert O'Sullivan LPs, all British issue and all with labels smaller than the area of the disc allowed for them.


  25th Feb 2019, 11:12 AM#11  REPORT  
W.B.lbl

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Records4Fun wrote:
I recently acquired a large collection of Monty Python records which I started uploading on this site. And, as these are Monty Python records, nothing seems normal.
- An old classical record sleeve is scratched out and reused ;
- record labels do not have the track listings but absurd stories;
- An enormous amount of different label variations;
- all kind of gadgets tucked away like double grooved, locked groove, a free flexi disc, inserts “to become a great actor”, a sleeve which can be folded out into a box, insert sleeves with fake records, etc. More silliness than in a Jack White album.

It’s a lot of fun going through all this.

But here’s my thing. There is also a Charisma Mad Hatter record label which is smaller than normal. The diameter of this paper label is about 1 cm smaller than the average label. I had never seen that before! Another Monty Python Record
I cropped the images to the size of a normal label to show the difference with a normal size label, leaving a black vinyl ring (which is not according to the Image Guidelines). I also asked not to edit these images. But my moderator made these images editable………

My questions are:
1: Does anyone know if there are more records with these small labels or is this another silly Monty Python thingy?
2: If a label has a different size, shouldn’t we make this visible (like I tried to do)?
The smaller size (3.625" diameter, as opposed to 4" for regular LP labels), in the U.S., was in this case a "thing" every so often with the Sonic Recording Products pressing plant in Holbrook, NY. One wonders if, on their label sheets, they were centered 4.25" (the prescribed bleed for 4" trim LP's). Regular 45 label sheets' centering should've been 3.875" (which was the bleed for 3.625" trim). But it wasn't just with Charisma; I've seen Buddah and Kama Sutra LP's pressed by that plant with labels earmarked for 45 use but used instead for LP's.

(Sorry for repeating, but it's been years since I last examined this thread.)


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