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| 14th Nov 2015, 6:21 PM | #1 REPORT | |
 | plocky45 Member since Aug 2012 2794 Points | Just wondering whether it would be helpful to be able to enter a series / cat. no. for books. I'm thinking, for example, of 'Penguin', 'Pan' and 'Ladybird'. As I know well enough, collectors quite like to complete sets, series etc.! As an example, 'Dr. No' has just been entered. This 1960 cover is numbered G335, and there were cover variations for 1961, 1962 etc. Not unlike music entries, in fact. Edited by plocky45 on 14th Nov 2015, 6:30 PM |
| 14th Nov 2015, 6:51 PM | #2 REPORT | |
 | JPGR&B SUBS My aim - to add all my collections on 45worlds. Member since May 2009 4531 Points Moderator | I added the Dr. No paperback and noticed that number, but nowhere to put it other than in Notes. I have several Pan Ian Fleming paperbacks, and several editions of the same novel printed in different years, so adding the cat. no would be a great bonus. |
| 14th Nov 2015, 7:38 PM | #3 REPORT | |
 | janiejjones Member since Aug 2011 4920 Points Moderator | Yes indeed, pocket publishers in germany/austria had cat#s, most likely in other countries as well |
| 15th Nov 2015, 8:22 AM | #4 REPORT | |
 | TopPopper Member since Mar 2013 2612 Points | I think it would only be useful if something resulted from it, eg a listing was thereby generated. With records, the cat number is wedded to the label, so it enables the label discography to show in sequence. But book numbers wouldn't do that (unless publishers numbered everything they put out in the same way) - so what would we gain? Lists are possibly the way to go. |
| 21st Nov 2015, 5:35 PM | #5 REPORT | |
| Pridesale Member since Mar 2013 805 Points | Knight , and Armada Collins/ Lion / Fount / did this too. I think Scholastic and will have to check my few Target paperbacks. It tends to predate ISBN numbering. I would certainly like a listing of cat numbers for those publishers that did this, especially as re-prints did change their artwork over time (Ladybirds again for example) |
| 21st Nov 2015, 7:17 PM | #6 REPORT | |
| Pridesale Member since Mar 2013 805 Points |
JPGR&B wrote:
I added the Dr. No paperback and noticed that number, but nowhere to put it other than in Notes. I have several Pan Ian Fleming paperbacks, and several editions of the same novel printed in different years, so adding the cat. no would be a great bonus.
Notice that some appear in the sub-brand of ' Great Pan ' which I always thought were larger books - but I think are now sort of 'Classics' for marketing purposes. |
| 22nd Nov 2015, 8:05 AM | #7 REPORT | |
 | musictom SUBS Member since Apr 2012 9238 Points Moderator | I just entered around 100 Railroad books from a company called Interurban Press. Most of their book had a Special XXX number. Railfans are well aware of these. It would be handy if there was a field to enter that information so it shows in searches and lists. |
| 22nd Nov 2015, 5:53 PM | #8 REPORT | |
| Pridesale Member since Mar 2013 805 Points | Yep, think there is a need to separate Numbered and 'Sequenced' Series. This seems to happen in transport (we need category level 3/4 Land- Road Passenger Public. Road Passenger Private , Rail, Air- Airports, Aircraft, Sea (etc). ) Things as I am entering Buses Annual (I suppose the same applies to comic annuals), Railway World Annual, Ian Allan abcs, Capital Transport similar geographical or similar books, Railway Books in the likes of 'The Colour Of' series and so on. Definately would like to see all James Bond / Doctor Who etc items grouped, or groupable, together (Fiction, Genre , Main Character ? ) |
| 22nd Nov 2015, 6:42 PM | #9 REPORT | |
 | nboldock Lend me ten pounds and I'll buy you a drink. Member since Feb 2012 7197 Points Moderator |
Pridesale wrote:
Yep, think there is a need to separate Numbered and 'Sequenced' Series. This seems to happen in transport (we need category level 3/4 Land- Road Passenger Public. Road Passenger Private , Rail, Air- Airports, Aircraft, Sea (etc). ) Things as I am entering Buses Annual (I suppose the same applies to comic annuals), Railway World Annual, Ian Allan abcs, Capital Transport similar geographical or similar books, Railway Books in the likes of 'The Colour Of' series and so on.
Definately would like to see all James Bond / Doctor Who etc items grouped, or groupable, together (Fiction, Genre , Main Character ? ) You can already do that, using Tags. |
| 22nd Nov 2015, 10:21 PM | #10 REPORT | |
| musictom SUBS Member since Apr 2012 9238 Points Moderator | Tell me if i'm wrong but wouldn't tags work to define a series, but not so much for individual catalog numbers? |
| 23rd Nov 2015, 7:20 AM | #11 REPORT | |
| nboldock Lend me ten pounds and I'll buy you a drink. Member since Feb 2012 7197 Points Moderator |
musictom wrote:
Tell me if i'm wrong but wouldn't tags work to define a series, but not so much for individual catalog numbers?
Correct, yeah. |
| 26th Nov 2015, 1:08 PM | #12 REPORT | |
| ppint. ● Member since Aug 2012 6393 Points | - almost all paperback publishers from penguin books onwards allocated their own, unique within the publishing house, cat#s to the titles they published. - when "sbn" (standard book numbers) started being introduced, by uk publishers, some prepended their new publisher id code to some obvious derivative of the previously allowed cat#s shorn of any alphabetic character(s) - e.g. tandem books ltd° (juvenile imprint, target books) did this, using their prefix 426- and running up a string of 0s between this and their cat# to extend the prefix-plus-0s-plus-cat# to the required sbn length. - and some did not. - merkin paperback publishers took their time to adopt a rival system, the american book number, whose allocated publisher prefixes proceeded to duplicate the prefixes allocated in the sbn system. - again, some generated abns from their previously-allocated cat#s by some similarly obvious systematic system - and some did not. - eventually merkin publishers adopted the sbn - with new publisher prefixes unique to them, which sbn, prefixed initially by a 0 (& later, also a 1) indicating the book is in english°°, became the isbn (international standard book number) beloved of librarians°°° everywhere - the ten-digit isbn, that is, whose final numeric character is a check-digit which indicates that the previous nine digits have been accurately transcribed - or not. - with the merglobalisation of formerly distinct distribution chains (or octopi), three more digits, 978-, have been prepended to the isbn-10 to produce the isbn-13, which necessarily ends with a different numerical character from that of the isbn-10 as the initial 978- upsets the previously-calculated check-digit of the isbn-10. - books published in a series that have been given their own internal series numbering will not usually record, reflect or reflect this in any way in their publisher's cat#s, nor their sbns, abns, isbns, isbn-10s or isbn-13s - unless the publisher has chosen to allocate them cat#s in sequence, and in a sequence sufficiently long to include titles not yet written as later appear; and even then, the isbn(-10 or -13)'s check-digit system is virtually guaranteed to put the kybosh on any such attempt. - on top of which, such series may from time to time suffer renumberings, e.g. the lancer (merkin) & sphere (yuk) books conan series, and the penguin (puffin), later collins (lions), narnia series. - yr hmbl srppint. suggests that the notes: section is probably the best place to indicate both the membership of, and the ordinal place(s) of a title in, such series. ° - aka universal-tandem, for a while sister company of the universal publishing inc. of new york who'd bought galaxy, if, worlds of tomorrow, worlds of fantasy magazines and galaxy books from robert m. guinn, and who published award paperbacks °° - or in merkin english, which is presumed to be sufficiently close to english for mutual comprehension - for these purposes °°° - ook! |
| 26th Nov 2015, 6:12 PM | #13 REPORT | |
| TopPopper Member since Mar 2013 2612 Points | I'm struggling to get my head round this. Is there an example on the site of a book with a catalogue number? |
| 27th Nov 2015, 7:37 AM | #14 REPORT | |
| JPGR&B SUBS My aim - to add all my collections on 45worlds. Member since May 2009 4531 Points Moderator | Cat # X236. |
| 27th Nov 2015, 10:05 AM | #15 REPORT | |
| TopPopper Member since Mar 2013 2612 Points | I've seen those Pan ones, which have a number on the front. That's just one run of books among thousands, and I think they are probably the only ones. But we're being told, "almost all paperback publishers from penguin books onwards allocated their own, unique within the publishing house, cat#s to the titles they published". So, if I pick up an old paperback from my shelf, chances are it will have a cat number? I've tried it, and they don't. Someone show me an old Penguin paperback with a catalogue number, because I just don't see it. |
| 27th Nov 2015, 10:21 AM | #16 REPORT | |
| janiejjones Member since Aug 2011 4920 Points Moderator | Sorry to repeat myself, but at least in Germany all major publishers of paperback "Pocket Books" allocate numbers to each title in the catalogue. And this American title will definitely not be on it's own. So, yes, I believe a cat# field might be useful. |
| 27th Nov 2015, 11:44 AM | #17 REPORT | |
| TopPopper Member since Mar 2013 2612 Points | So be it then. It won't do any harm, but I do suspect only a small fraction of books have them. |
| 29th Nov 2015, 4:22 PM | #18 REPORT | |
| Pridesale Member since Mar 2013 805 Points | I haven't added my bigish fraction yet |
| 30th Nov 2015, 12:30 AM | #19 REPORT | |
| plocky45 Member since Aug 2012 2794 Points | This is the kind of thing I mean! http://www.penguinfirsteditions.com/index.php?cat=main_series001-099 With 3,000 books listed with images, the series/cat.no. are here referred to as a main series number. Again, there are echoes of music collections. Edited by plocky45 on 30th Nov 2015, 12:48 AM |
| 30th Nov 2015, 2:32 AM | #20 REPORT | |
 | Juke Jules SUBS Tell me he's lazy, tell me he's slow Member since Jan 2011 4138 Points Moderator | That penguinfirsteditions.com could be a really useful site if he'd add a) a search facility, and b) a forum  |
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