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  21st Dec 2015, 8:20 PM#1  REPORT  
plocky45

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Just checking the convention for entering the publisher.
In the case of music entries, Decca Records would be entered as 'Decca' only. Presumably, the term 'publisher/s' would be similarly superfluous in the case of books. For example, I've just entered 'Turner Publishing Company' as simply 'Turner'. (Turner' alone appears at the bottom of the title page) At the same time, I note that there is a 'Turner Publishing, Inc.'


  21st Dec 2015, 11:02 PM#2  REPORT  
Juke Jules SUBS

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Sounds correct to me. Turner Publishing, Inc are the owners of the 'Turner' imprint

For a record catalogue, the publisher name is debatable, but can be changed if needed

- Jules


  24th Dec 2015, 5:00 AM#3  REPORT  
Mystdrf

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Good fun adding books .

I think the publisher naming convention is going to cause a problem going forward as there seem to be a few publishers appearing as different entities e.g.' Fontana' and 'Fontana Books'.

Similarly the use of 'and' or '&' creates two different publishers as in Hodder and Stoughton or Hodder & Stoughton.

Another one I'm not sure about is international , most 1960's UK published books have prices for Commonwealth countries on the rear. Presumably they were exported at the time . My feeling is they are still UK publications , others take a different view so Pan appears as both a UK and International publisher again creating two lists which I suspect should be one or the other.

I'm not sure if there is a way of automatically merging these 'differences when added but it might makes for more comprehensive listings

Either way it's a worthy project


  24th Dec 2015, 8:28 PM#4  REPORT  
Juke Jules SUBS

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Good suggestions Mystdrf: I'm sure the ampersand could be taken care of automatically, and the other points are worthy of discussion


  25th Dec 2015, 2:08 AM#5  REPORT  
The_Vinyl_Junkie SUBS

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I have a copy of this book the-essential-rock-discography with the following differences:
Mine is the "Export Paperback" as indicated on inner page of publishing details.
On the back cover preceding the 10 digit ISBN is the $A value.

I can only assume that it was printed for (in?) Australia as Canongate is shown "Edinburgh.New York.Melbourne", hence it would be entered here as "Australia".

With thought for cases like this would it perhaps be an idea to only have two entries; "Hardcover" and "Export Paperback" all with "UK" for country and then the paperbacks from around the world showing the back cover image with description "[Country] issue".



  31st Dec 2015, 9:11 AM#6  REPORT  
Pridesale

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There is also Dual Publishers, where one book is published by one Co in USA, and one by another in UK, with both being credited on the book cover. Probably easiest to create two entries for each. Generally USA had different copyright to UK and other world countries. At one time (and still is) selling book rights in different territories gave publishers additional income, others chose to publish themselves around the world. Over time things seem to be getting blurred.


  22nd Feb 2016, 3:54 PM#7  REPORT  
ppint. ●

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both "ballantine books, inc." 8 king street, london and "ballantine books ltd." (at the identical address) published books in the yuk, as well as (the original) ballantine books, inc. of new york's publishing (rather more) books in merkia: failing to catalogue the full name of the publisher can introduce ambiguities unnecessarily. . .

(it gets worse: pan books ltd, the yuk distributors for both "inc. (uk)" and "ltd.", took over the stocks and yuk-published & distributed these and further titles as their "pan/ballantine" list, published by pan books ltd; most but not all of the "unicorn head" ballantine adult fantasy list selected & sometimes edited by lin carter, plus some other (some science fiction, but also non-fiction) titles from the ballantine, inc. merkin list.)

- in an attempt to avoid any possible confusion, i'm giving as full as possible details as i list the books - but the three ballantines plus pan/ballantine (pan books ltd) truly are all discernably different beasts. . .



  22nd Feb 2016, 4:03 PM#8  REPORT  
nboldock

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ppint. wrote:
both "ballantine books, inc." 8 king street, london and "ballantine books ltd." (at the identical address) published books in the yuk, as well as (the original) ballantine books, inc. of new york's publishing (rather more) books in merkia: failing to catalogue the full name of the publisher can introduce ambiguities unnecessarily. . .

(it gets worse: pan books ltd, the yuk distributors for both "inc. (uk)" and "ltd.", took over the stocks and yuk-published & distributed these and further titles as their "pan/ballantine" list, published by pan books ltd; most but not all of the "unicorn head" ballantine adult fantasy list selected & sometimes edited by lin carter, plus some other (some science fiction, but also non-fiction) titles from the ballantine, inc. merkin list.)

- in an attempt to avoid any possible confusion, i'm giving as full as possible details as i list the books - but the three ballantines plus pan/ballantine (pan books ltd) truly are all discernably different beasts. . .

We are discussing this issue at the moment...bear with us :happy:


  24th Feb 2016, 2:56 PM#9  REPORT  
ppint. ●

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yes, of course.


  24th Feb 2016, 3:25 PM#10  REPORT  
ppint. ●

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(not entirely part of this:)

it might help to add an "imprint" field:

- many publishers have published under more than one imprint:

(e.g. penguin books ltd. under penguin, pelican, puffin, peacock, penguin educational, picture puffin, puffin plus (& almost certainly at least a couple of which i'm not currently mindful));

- and sometimes a once-independent publisher's become just one of another (usually larger) publisher's imprints:

(e.g. the originally independent ace books, inc. publishers of romance, gothic, western, science fiction &c, became just the "ace science fiction" imprint of charter communications, inc., later part of grosset & dunlap, inc.°, before becaming just one imprint of the berkley publishing group that was later bought by penguin books ltd, becoming part of putnam-penguin, inc. - and which had been retained as an sf (& fantasy) imprint of the rechristened penguin america (, inc. iirc) before becoming part of random penguin (!!!) or whatever the most recent product of the latest rounds of extremely rich peoples'n'megacorpses' monopoly/global consolidation game's been renamed. . .)

- but "ace", whilst it has remained as an imprint, hasn't actually been a publisher since 1970, when it became "ace sf/science fiction", an imprint of charter communications, inc.

° - and somehow owned by, or part of, or elsewise bound up with filmways, and orion pictures. . .

- so being able to follow individual imprints, as well as publishers, might be useful.

- not least, because publishers were quite capable of selling one or more of their imprints to another publisher - not always with the imprint in question's full back-list. . .

(e.g. penguin books ltd. bought sphere books from thompson books ltd, then sold 'em on to some incarnation of macdonald- futura/macdonald/maxwell publishing/bpc(c)/etc. less the cream of the sphere titles, such as marion zimmer bradley's "the mists of avalon", which were moved onto the penguin imprint before the sale.)


Edited by ppint. on 27th Feb 2016, 2:59 PM

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