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| 23rd Dec 2016, 4:49 AM | #1 REPORT | |
 | mister_tmg Also on 78rpm Member since Apr 2012 1118 Points | From their website: "In the earliest days of the UK’s singles chart, the dominant format was the 10-inch vinyl single."    |
| 23rd Dec 2016, 9:47 AM | #2 REPORT | |
 | Juke Jules SUBS Tell me he's lazy, tell me he's slow Member since Jan 2011 4138 Points Moderator | Well, yes-s, it was certainly the 10" 78, and shellac was becoming replaced by vinyl towards the end of the format, so we'd better be careful not to dismiss this out of hand |
| 23rd Dec 2016, 10:21 AM | #3 REPORT | |
 | zabadak Caddacack oh da ca-caddacack, shy shy skagellack Member since Jun 2010 4156 Points | Nah, I'm with Mr. TMG - that is shocking!  |
| 23rd Dec 2016, 12:17 PM | #4 REPORT | |
 | Magic Marmalade If you're not lost... It's not an adventure! Member since Jun 2014 3745 Points Moderator | It's a question of perspective: "Once again Dougal....these vinyls are small, but the ones over there are far away" |
| 23rd Dec 2016, 4:54 PM | #5 REPORT | |
| mister_tmg Also on 78rpm Member since Apr 2012 1118 Points |
zabadak wrote:
Nah, I'm with Mr. TMG - that is shocking!
I'm glad a discerning gentleman such as yourself agrees! Yes, some charting 78s were vinyl, but not in the "earliest" days of the charts (unless that covers the whole first five years). I personally think it's ignorance though - the earliest charting music was on 10" shellac. No wax was harmed in the making of those discs  |
| 23rd Dec 2016, 7:50 PM | #6 REPORT | |
 | Fokeman I used to have a good memory but now I can't re Member since May 2011 5096 Points Moderator | Even at the end, of all the 78s produced MOST were still not made of vinyl. Lonnie Donegan had a few vinyl records on Pye, but I would say that most records made in the 1950s, if they played at 78rpm, they were made of shellac or a similar very brittle material. This would apply to 78s I own which were manufactured up to about 1958. |
| 23rd Dec 2016, 8:31 PM | #7 REPORT | |
 | TheJudge In-house specialist in drive-by moddings. Member since Dec 2012 3715 Points Moderator | I think that Pye group labels (which included Mercury from '56-'58) were the only ones who went vinyl to any real degree. |
| 23rd Dec 2016, 9:32 PM | #8 REPORT | |
| mister_tmg Also on 78rpm Member since Apr 2012 1118 Points | Agreed. It was a minority of releases. Petula Clark hits on Pye Nixa were also pressed on 78rpm vinyl. I think the choice of words by the OCC is simply because whoever wrote it isn't aware that early records were actually made of a different material. Easy mistake for a young novice to make, but surely the OCC should know better. |
| 7th Jan 2017, 1:56 AM | #9 REPORT | |
| Pridesale Member since Mar 2013 805 Points | Didn't one of the Gunniess books or similar have the format the hits were issued on noted in it ? |
| 22nd Jan 2017, 12:01 PM | #10 REPORT | |
| mister_tmg Also on 78rpm Member since Apr 2012 1118 Points | That sounds interesting for collectors... I don't recall seeing it in a Guinness book. "First Hits", the sheet music charts book, lists the formats of all the song releases on record. |
| 9th Mar 2023, 4:51 AM | #11 REPORT | |
 | W.B.lbl The Collector's Collector Member since Feb 2012 3786 Points Moderator | Last year they carried out yet another rewriting of history - claiming that 1952 was the first "official" chart. BALDERDASH! The first singles chart in 1952 was from New Musical Express - and the first "official" chart was published in February 1969. |
| 13th Mar 2023, 2:54 AM | #12 REPORT | |
| mister_tmg Also on 78rpm Member since Apr 2012 1118 Points |
W.B.lbl wrote:
Last year they carried out yet another rewriting of history - claiming that 1952 was the first "official" chart. BALDERDASH! The first singles chart in 1952 was from New Musical Express - and the first "official" chart was published in February 1969.
That is true. But I suppose the OCC is just referring to their own version of "history". It's more accurate to refer to the "NME chart". From the mid-50s, with multiple magazine charts, until 1969, it's rather questionable to now have one chart being regarded as "definitive". When talking about a hit record from the 60s, this is particularly pertinent. |
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