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| 24th Jan 2017, 8:20 PM | #1 REPORT | |
 | getalife So many questions, so few answers Member since Nov 2010 877 Points Moderator | Just been watching the 1show on BBC, which had a bit on desert island disc, they showed a gramophone, the record going clockwise and the needle pointing towards the on coming record, is this correct as I would have thought any imperfections in the record would make the needle jam, rather than pointing away. Just been looking on YouTube at gramophones and they all point away from oncoming record, though one showed a record starting from inside and playing to outer edge, reverse of what the other did.  Edited by getalife on 24th Jan 2017, 8:43 PM |
| 24th Jan 2017, 9:22 PM | #2 REPORT | |
 | Graham7 Member since Apr 2012 6406 Points Moderator | The episode can be found here (UK fee payers only), the segment starts at 21 minutes. I thought it not clear on which side of the record the needle was placed, but it does look wrong (and the insert edit at 25:02 infers that they're actually playing an Elvis 45!). I should point out that I've only looked at this clip with the sound off. Regarding centre start records, Pathé is one label that used this (together with vertical rather than lateral cuts). |
| 24th Jan 2017, 10:18 PM | #3 REPORT | |
| getalife So many questions, so few answers Member since Nov 2010 877 Points Moderator | Thanks Graham, it just looked odd to me,(His Master Voice sound box) https://assets.catawiki.nl/assets/2016/3/22/c/f/8/cf8879f6-f028-11e5-8746-feaaa7862d04.jpg As for the Pathe system, what's the advantage of this over the conventional way. Edited by getalife on 24th Jan 2017, 10:34 PM |
| 24th Jan 2017, 10:40 PM | #4 REPORT | |
| Graham7 Member since Apr 2012 6406 Points Moderator | The picture you refer to (clickable link) does indeed look very wrong. The vertical (up-and-down) cutting method, nicknamed ‘hill-and-dale’, was invented by Edison. The lateral (side-to-side) motion developed by Berliner. From free OU course Revolutions in sound recording, which is included in the 78RPM: Useful Links thread, which features many interesting links, several of which I have forgotten about, now over 4 years we've been doing this. Edited by Graham7 on 24th Jan 2017, 10:46 PM |
| 24th Jan 2017, 11:14 PM | #5 REPORT | |
| getalife So many questions, so few answers Member since Nov 2010 877 Points Moderator | You would think the vertical method at 78 RPM would lift the needle off the record. Thanks for your help on this Graham.  |
| 25th Jan 2017, 7:06 PM | #6 REPORT | |
 | Fokeman I used to have a good memory but now I can't re Member since May 2011 5096 Points Moderator | You're all correct. I think this image was set up by someone trying to sell a record player and they set it up wrongly without setting it to work. This would definitely jam and dig the needle into the record. |
| 25th Jan 2017, 9:13 PM | #7 REPORT | |
| getalife So many questions, so few answers Member since Nov 2010 877 Points Moderator |
fokeman wrote:
You're all correct. I think this image was set up by someone trying to sell a record player and they set it up wrongly without setting it to work. This would definitely jam and dig the needle into the record.
Have a look at Graham clickable link, that looks the same setting. |
| 26th Jan 2017, 12:56 AM | #8 REPORT | |
| Graham7 Member since Apr 2012 6406 Points Moderator |
getalife wrote:
Have a look at Graham clickable link, that looks the same setting.
Because it's the same picture you were linking to  Vertical cut was best for Cylinders, where the needle rides on top, the Edison Diamond Discs were 1/4" thick to ensure a totally flat surface to avoid bouncing, and some were designed for vertical players. |
| 26th Jan 2017, 8:11 AM | #9 REPORT | |
| getalife So many questions, so few answers Member since Nov 2010 877 Points Moderator |
Graham7 wrote:
getalife wrote:
Have a look at Graham clickable link, that looks the same setting.
Because it's the same picture you were linking to I was referring to the picture looking the same setup as the one on the BBC 1show, and that it shows the needle pointing towards the oncoming record.  |
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