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| 27th Jun 2017, 3:48 PM | #1 REPORT | |
 | HOOK45 SUBS ● Quality above quantity Member since Feb 2010 40949 Points | The rules for the Country in CD singles are different than BIEM, as is in 45cat? Why? Why BIEM STEMRA is Europe and not Netherlands? For example: http://www.45worlds.com/cdsingle/artist/east-17 |
| 27th Jun 2017, 4:51 PM | #2 REPORT | |
 | Juke Jules SUBS Tell me he's lazy, tell me he's slow Member since Jan 2011 4138 Points Moderator | The 'rules' (which are not hard and fast) are 'Country' = contry of issue, often not the same as country of manufacture. Please enter your CDs according to your best knowledge, - Jules |
| 27th Jun 2017, 5:51 PM | #3 REPORT | |
| HOOK45 SUBS ● Quality above quantity Member since Feb 2010 40949 Points | I did, but the country was changed (by who?) from Netherlands to Europe http://www.45worlds.com/cdsingle/cd/8577332 |
| 27th Jun 2017, 6:10 PM | #4 REPORT | |
 | TopPopper Member since Mar 2013 2612 Points | Do you have info to show this was Netherlands-only? |
| 27th Jun 2017, 6:26 PM | #5 REPORT | |
| HOOK45 SUBS ● Quality above quantity Member since Feb 2010 40949 Points | No, in the first post I put a link to the "Europe" issues of East 17; most of them are BIEM STEMRA, Netherlands issues. I made the corrections, but nobody did anything. |
| 27th Jun 2017, 6:33 PM | #6 REPORT | |
| HOOK45 SUBS ● Quality above quantity Member since Feb 2010 40949 Points | Oh, I understood the strange question... So, I made a question at the beginning: they are other rules on 45worlds - CD world than on 45cat? On 45cat the BIEM shows the country. |
| 27th Jun 2017, 7:35 PM | #7 REPORT | |
 | Jake Smarm Member since Jul 2015 621 Points |
HOOK45 wrote:
I did, but the country was changed (by who?) from Netherlands to Europe
http://www.45worlds.com/cdsingle/cd/8577332 To qualify as a Europe CD surely it should have to be available in every European country - unlikely. If it was issued in the Netherlands and France (for example) we should be able to select those two countries. |
| 28th Jun 2017, 9:12 AM | #8 REPORT | |
 | nboldock Lend me ten pounds and I'll buy you a drink. Member since Feb 2012 7167 Points Moderator | I changed it. There is nothing to suggest it is a Dutch only release and as it has an international catalogue number it seems reasonable that it is certainly pan-European if not International. It seems highly unlikely this would have been an issue specific to Holland. |
| 29th Jun 2017, 9:31 PM | #9 REPORT | |
| HOOK45 SUBS ● Quality above quantity Member since Feb 2010 40949 Points |
nboldock wrote:
I changed it. There is nothing to suggest it is a Dutch only release and as it has an international catalogue number it seems reasonable that it is certainly pan-European if not International. It seems highly unlikely this would have been an issue specific to Holland.
So, CD singles are only Europe and UK! Why UK?! UK was not Europe? So, the CD singles are only Europe, even the BIEM is SACEM, SDRM, SGDL, SACD, SABAM, SIAE, MCPS??? We even dont't need the list with the European countries! Please don't change the country when I upload a CD single, I have enough experience with this! |
| 30th Jun 2017, 12:58 AM | #10 REPORT | |
| Juke Jules SUBS Tell me he's lazy, tell me he's slow Member since Jan 2011 4138 Points Moderator | Perhaps it is these copyright agencies that determines whether a CD is 'International' or can be shown as a 'Country' release. I notice that agencies, like BIEM, ASCAP, STEMRA are not so often shown on CDs now. Usually they show just "Copyright EMI" or "Copyright Sony" so maybe releases without an agency are International? What about "Copyright Control"? If it shows "Copyright EMI Limited" does that make it UK? How can a record company act as a copyright agency? Surely there can only be one agency in a country? |
| 30th Jun 2017, 6:36 AM | #11 REPORT | |
| nboldock Lend me ten pounds and I'll buy you a drink. Member since Feb 2012 7167 Points Moderator |
HOOK45 wrote:
nboldock wrote:
I changed it. There is nothing to suggest it is a Dutch only release and as it has an international catalogue number it seems reasonable that it is certainly pan-European if not International. It seems highly unlikely this would have been an issue specific to Holland.
So, CD singles are only Europe and UK! Why UK?! UK was not Europe? So, the CD singles are only Europe, even the BIEM is SACEM, SDRM, SGDL, SACD, SABAM, SIAE, MCPS??? We even dont't need the list with the European countries! Please don't change the country when I upload a CD single, I have enough experience with this! Nearly all of their CD singles, including the UK ones, are showing BIEM / STEMRA. In the case of CDs this does not automatically make them Dutch. I suspect in actual fact that most of the UK releases for this band are also likely to be "Europe" although it does seem there is a distinction between those with an INT catalogue number and those without. I don't believe the CD I changed (which I did in good faith and fully within my role as a long standing Moderator) is a Dutch-only release - if there is some evidence outside of the role of the rights society notification then we can of course change it but at the moment I am not seeing anything to suggest it is wrong. The registration of rights seems to be a lot less transparent in the CD era. You will note nearly all of this group's releases refer to BIEM/STEMRA, by the way. |
| 30th Jun 2017, 6:38 AM | #12 REPORT | |
| nboldock Lend me ten pounds and I'll buy you a drink. Member since Feb 2012 7167 Points Moderator |
HOOK45 wrote:
nboldock wrote:
I changed it. There is nothing to suggest it is a Dutch only release and as it has an international catalogue number it seems reasonable that it is certainly pan-European if not International. It seems highly unlikely this would have been an issue specific to Holland.
So, CD singles are only Europe and UK! Why UK?! UK was not Europe? So, the CD singles are only Europe, even the BIEM is SACEM, SDRM, SGDL, SACD, SABAM, SIAE, MCPS??? We even dont't need the list with the European countries! Please don't change the country when I upload a CD single, I have enough experience with this! I also meant to add - your next response needs to be a lot calmer than the last one. |
| 30th Jun 2017, 7:27 AM | #13 REPORT | |
| HOOK45 SUBS ● Quality above quantity Member since Feb 2010 40949 Points | [quote I also meant to add - your next response needs to be a lot calmer than the last one. [/quote] My response was calm and logic; I asked from the beginning if 45worlds - CDsingles has diffrent rules than 45cats for countries releasese. |
| 30th Jun 2017, 3:40 PM | #14 REPORT | |
| nboldock Lend me ten pounds and I'll buy you a drink. Member since Feb 2012 7167 Points Moderator | Not different rules as such, but I think Rights Societies in the CD age are less conclusive than in the years before CDs, hence STEMRA on a single usually does mean it's Dutch... but not necessarily on CDs. |
| 30th Jun 2017, 9:31 PM | #15 REPORT | |
 | plocky45 Member since Aug 2012 2787 Points | Here's a perfect example to support nboldock's point |
| 1st Jul 2017, 11:20 PM | #16 REPORT | |
 | Pomegranate Music does matter! Member since Jul 2010 4740 Points | The UK has or had a unique catalogue numbering system. |
| 2nd Jul 2017, 10:24 AM | #17 REPORT | |
 | Dr Doom SUBS I wanna eat an artichoke once in a while Member since Feb 2008 25207 Points Administrator | We're currently trying to work out a new system/guide for countries as it's been a real headache since we started CD albums and CD singles. The 45cat system doesn't really work in the digital / EU / Global age. We spent a few days debating a new system last month and still haven't come up with something we're all that happy with. It's not easy. Or we'd have done it by now!  |
| 5th Jul 2017, 12:38 AM | #18 REPORT | |
 | JPGR&B SUBS My aim - to add all my collections on 45worlds. Member since May 2009 4526 Points Moderator | Good luck Dr Doom and OC with your deliberations! |
| 19th Jul 2017, 11:57 PM | #19 REPORT | |
| Pridesale Member since Mar 2013 794 Points | So , anyone know if BIEM and/or STERMA started or have become pan european collection agencies (or at least Benelux countries ?) A problem (and see related thread) is that the European Communities have evolved in economic integration, and possibly will confinue to do so ( there is an Intellectual Property Court and harmonisation on trade marking, if not copyright as such at the present time which I think is physically based in Spain). And new nations join the club in various transistional stages. |
| 20th Jul 2017, 7:31 PM | #20 REPORT | |
 | sladesounds Turning rebellion into money since 1962 Member since Nov 2009 6560 Points Moderator | Within the European Union, authors, lyricists, composers and publishers are free to join a copyright organisation of their choice. Buma/Stemra is a Dutch company operating in a competitive market. The country not longer matters if you are issuing music in any format within the EEC, you join the copyright organisation of your choice, which sensibly should be the one that offers the best returns for your copyrighted material. STERMA BIEM (Bureau International des Sociétés Gérant les Droits d'Enregistrement et de Reproduction Mécanique) is an organisation coordinating statutory license agreements among different countries. BIEM represents 55 societies, from 58 countries. Members of BIEM enter into agreements to allow each of them to represent the others' repertoire of protected works. In this way, a BIEM society is able to license users for the vast majority of songs in the world. BIEM Members STERMA is part of BIEM |
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