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7th Oct 2018, 9:19 PM		#1 REPORT
	CorporalClegg KinoTata, Ha-ha! Member since Mar 2016 423 Points	Not sure how big an issue this is to anyone but me but I thought there might be a use for a discussion on reissues/compilations on remastering, legality and sound quality. For example, I've noticed Repertoire seems to do everything legally but at times either uses direct vinyl rips or has the remaster cranked way too loud (and strangely others are just fine). Anyone got any they'd advise steering clear of or that are fine? Or have any questions about specific reissues?

7th Oct 2018, 9:58 PM		#2 REPORT
	Lee Wrecker If you can't dig me, you can't dig nothin' Member since Nov 2013 2283 Points	CorporalClegg you're on to something here. Particularly when it comes to small companies in the current LP reissue game. Some bigger players such as Rhino have also had some bad patches earlier in the vinyl revival but have cleaned up their act in recent times to be one of the safest reissue companies of the modern era. Sundazed and 4 Men With Beards both from the USA are not to be trusted and can be either excellent or dismal issue by issue. No one is immune from reissue problems the USA releases (2012) of the entire Beatles catalogue were plagued with problems relating to pressing issues and these really are pot luck. I had to send a copy of "Let It Be" back due to chips in the edge of the vinyl, scuffs all over the disc and audible scratches and pops but the replacement was fine. This was also an issue with the USA 3LP Radiohead reissue of OK Computer where I believe the USA distributors resorted to importing EU made copies to stem the tide of complaints. So my copy of the album bought in the USA is an EU release which I'm glad of given the litany of complaints on the net at the time. All the recent Parlophone Bowie reissues have been excellent and yet different Low for example has a lot more bass than the original release but also has more clarity. Sundazed take the biscuit for the worst that I own with Capt. Beefheart's Safe As Milk Mono reissue which is believed to be cobbled together from unknown remnants of mixes (needledrops?) as the original mono mix was destroyed. It is OK but it is certainly not the original mono mix that Sundazed claims it is. Light In the Attic seem to masquerade as a high end specialist market reissue company but provide very little information as to the sources of the recordings and the quality of the vinyl is variable. On the other hand their covers and artwork are impeccable. In general though a good quality original release is still the most desirable release to get in my book. All the bells and whistles (Remastered, 180 gr vinyl, etc) mean nothing if you can't get a good sounding clean record in the bag. There are issues with reissues.

7th Oct 2018, 11:19 PM		#3 REPORT
	Juke Jules SUBS Tell me he's lazy, tell me he's slow Member since Jan 2011 4151 Points Moderator	There are so many utterly crap needledrop compilations, but a much worse fraud is the release of 'best of' compilations made by anonymous bands who have bought the name off the real band. For a good (bad) example see my comments on http://www.45cat.com/record/ms6703us

8th Oct 2018, 1:30 AM		#4 REPORT
	Jock_Girl A girl who looks good in vinyl Member since Dec 2012 1544 Points Moderator	Repertoire has always been good by me. That said I have seen that at times needle drops are the only way to get certain things as original master tapes are long gone. Examples of this are non-English versions of stuff like the German version of Have I The Right (Hab' Ich das Recht) by the Honeycombs. A lot of 60s stuff from Canada is also plagued by this, like Little Caesar And The Consols - My Girl Sloopy which is a very noisy needle drop on the otherwise excellent Made In Canada - The Early Years - 1960 - 1970 - Volume One from RCA. At one time I had great respect for Rhino -- but now I see them as money grabbers who are big on 'cute' things like making a Rhino label that looks like the original --- ahhhh, how sweet! Amy

14th Oct 2018, 1:53 AM		#5 REPORT
	CorporalClegg KinoTata, Ha-ha! Member since Mar 2016 423 Points	See Repertoire actually seems to be the most varying in quality from my experience! I don't know if it's the British vs. German versions differing or what but here's what I heard: The Grass Roots' "Let's Live For Today/Feelings" reissue sounds impeccable. No flaws, no needle drops, little tape hiss. Crazy Elephant: High quality needle drop, but you can tell. A tad loud but not too bad; strangely singles seem to be tape quality AND "Umbopo" is better quality than Strawberry Bubblegum version. Wizzard Singles: By far the worst with all sides being mastered way too loud, and b-sides being needle drops (which seemed odd since it's a well known band!). Turtles' "Turtle Soup": like grass roots, very good. No needles and from what I understand about the original, it's vinyl quality. The reason I asked was because I was curious on their reissues of Jackson Heights, Plastic Penny and Troggs singles. From what i've managed to hear they seem promising, but I've never been sure. It does seem like on occasion they've done it out of necessity, but a few it felt like a stumble. Maybe it was them being in infancy or i'm being too harsh. @Lee, I'd been luckier on which Sundazed reissues I hit but maybe it's time I go back and look at them. I do think I remember them being forced to use needle drops on Peppermint Trolley Co., which I thought sounded a bit odd. Tho maybe those tapes weren't as widespread as I assume. Light In The Attic does seem rather hit or miss themselves given the subjects they cover ranging from cassettes to vinyl dubs. At the very least they made me aware of Gimmer Nicholson so i'll grant them that one. Gear Fab also seems rather low quality, with Thomas Edisun and Moses Lake but it could be the original tapes became damaged. It still seems rather iffy but the only option for those artists at the time. Cherry Red and its subsidiaries also seems to have that issue where when they do it right they absolutely nail it out of the park, and other times not. Reissues like The Move or unreleased albums or Lon/Derek Van Eaton are all stellar, but sometimes seems like vinyl dubs and I'm not sure if they're hard to get a hold of or not. Juke, I learned long ago to never trust various artists compilations and especially not the ones posing as old but remakes!

14th Oct 2018, 3:49 PM		#6 REPORT
	Juke Jules SUBS Tell me he's lazy, tell me he's slow Member since Jan 2011 4151 Points Moderator	By contrast, here is a remake of a 60s hit Funny How Love Can Be. I mistook this version to be a stereo copy of the original 45. Thanks for the reminder, I have just bought a copy of Beat Boom Classics via the eBay link on the page, maybe it will have some other good remakes. Edited by Juke Jules on 14th Oct 2018, 4:01 PM

20th Oct 2018, 6:14 PM		#7 REPORT
	CorporalClegg KinoTata, Ha-ha! Member since Mar 2016 423 Points	Anyone have insight into Guerrson? They seem legit but some issues I can't tell if they're vinyl rips or not (especially due to scarcity of original item).

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