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19th May 2019, 6:35 PM		#1 REPORT
	Fokeman I used to have a good memory but now I can't re Member since May 2011 5096 Points Moderator	For the sake of clarity; which catalogue number takes precedence over which? Is the label more or less important than what it says on the sleeve? Sometimes the sleeve and label disagree entirely. In which case both can be added. But if there is only slight disparity, which should be entered as the catalogue number, sleeve or label?

19th May 2019, 9:30 PM		#2 REPORT
	kab2112 SUBS Wales, where men are men and sheep are nervous Member since Jan 2011 15471 Points Moderator	I always go with what's on the label. If there is a difference with the sleeve, it could be added as an additional cat #

20th May 2019, 6:06 AM		#3 REPORT
	PhilMH 🍰 Member since Jan 2012 1055 Points	The most troublesome ones are MCA's 1980's reissues of not just their own back catalogue, but also the product they acquired when they purchased ABC and related labels; you can get MCA labels inside ABC covers, and vice versa! In those cases, if there's any mention of MCA, either in a new catalogue number (frequently stamped on the front of a cover showing an older number) or on the label, I would go with MCA as the label, as that was what MCA intended, and use the stamped number as the primary catalogue number (sometimes the stamped number on the cover is the same as that shown on the label of the new pressing, so that makes things a bit easier).

20th May 2019, 10:52 AM		#4 REPORT
	Juke Jules SUBS Tell me he's lazy, tell me he's slow Member since Jan 2011 4138 Points Moderator	Here's one with a cat. no. change Nuggets

20th May 2019, 2:36 PM		#5 REPORT
	Fokeman I used to have a good memory but now I can't re Member since May 2011 5096 Points Moderator	Well always thought that the primary source was the label and anything else was secondary... Is this not the case?

20th May 2019, 3:35 PM		#6 REPORT
	PhilMH 🍰 Member since Jan 2012 1055 Points	The real world tends to throw up situations that don't exactly fit whatever guidelines this and other sites make, but in the interests of completeness and accuracy they should be documented. In the case of Nuggets with that UK catalogue number, it would appear that there's no actual UK pressing, or at least not one on Discogs, who would most likely say that the sticker does not make it a "unique release"; I don't agree with that, because in context it's a UK release with a valid UK catalogue number allocated by WEA and so should be documented. I would create a separate UK entry for it, showing K62012 as the primary catalogue number, and a note saying "US pressing with stickered UK catalogue number". I have done a similar thing with some US CDs imported into Australia by the local record company Festival (licensee for the record labels involved), who applied stickers showing their own catalogue numbers and barcodes. So, the answer to Fokeman's question is: the label usually takes precedence, BUT there may be exceptions for particular contexts and situations, such as MCA's reissues or an overseas affiliate/licensee importing a release for local distribution.

20th May 2019, 6:12 PM		#7 REPORT
	Redpunk SUBS ● Crates Are For Digging Member since Aug 2012 25322 Points Moderator	The usual source is the label but some LP's only have the info on the sleeve or there is a conflict then one has to choose. As always the site has guidelines not Tram lines.

21st May 2019, 4:07 AM		#8 REPORT
	The_Vinyl_Junkie SUBS My body is on the diminishing streak. Member since Dec 2011 8080 Points Moderator	For what it's worth, I use the label as primary and the sleeve as secondary with the only exception being Festival as mentioned by PhilMH.

24th May 2019, 7:17 AM		#9 REPORT
	Fokeman I used to have a good memory but now I can't re Member since May 2011 5096 Points Moderator	It might be worth sharing that we use the label as first reference because some people seem to be operating on the idea that the cover is the first reference and as a result creating "incorrect URL" data. Does this exist as a guideline anywhere or are we all going by what we think should be?

24th May 2019, 3:26 PM		#10 REPORT
	Redpunk SUBS ● Crates Are For Digging Member since Aug 2012 25322 Points Moderator	There are loads of incorrect URL so I wouldn't worry too much about that as long as you add the other cat. as secondary a search will still find them. As for which is used I look to see what has been used as the primary Cat. No. so far in the label discography. Though I would say if you go for label first followed by sleeve in most cases you won't go far wrong.

25th May 2019, 3:28 PM		#11 REPORT
	Fokeman I used to have a good memory but now I can't re Member since May 2011 5096 Points Moderator	I totally agree. And the "incorrect URL" shouldn't be the reason we delete an existing submission so that we can put a new submission in its place. As has been said no one searches on the URL and there are plenty of entries where the URL doesn't match the catalogue number.

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