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| 4th Jul 2020, 8:17 PM | #1 REPORT | |
 | mister_tmg Also on 78rpm Member since Apr 2012 1118 Points | You can see my list of the UK No1s from 1960 issued on 78rpm format here. The Official Charts Company (OCC) uses the NME chart until March that year, and then the Record Retailer one. Of course, there were records which were listed at no1 in other magazines, but not in the retrospective 'official' charts, and these are accounted for here. There were only three of those anyway. I've long been interested in finding out what the last UK no1 issued on 78rpm was. 1960 was the year when the major labels phased them out. Only Embassy is known to have issued 78s in 1961, with a suggestion that Oriole also did. But neither of these labels had no1 hits. The following 'official' UK no1s from 1960 were definitely issued on 78, and most have label images on this site: Michael Holliday - Starry Eyed (Columbia) Anthony Newley - Why (Decca) Adam Faith - Poor Me (Parlophone) Lonnie Donegan - My Old Man's A Dustman (Ballad Of A Refuse Disposal Officer) (Pye) Anthony Newley - Do You Mind (Decca) The Everly Brothers - Cathy's Clown (Warner Bros.) And from other charts, add these: Elvis Presley With The Jordanaires - Stuck On You (RCA) Elvis Presley With The Jordanaires - A Mess Of Blues / The Girl Of My Best Friend (RCA) However, other no1s from 1960 have been listed on 78 in various publications over the years, yet their existence is unconfirmed, and in fact, doubtful: Johnny Preston - Running Bear (Mercury) 78 listed in the Mercury label catalogue by Paul Pelletier and Rare Record Price Guide. However, it is 45-only in the contemporary EMI catalogue, and when I asked Paul last year, he said he would not be surprised if it had been 45-only in the UK, but issued elsewhere by EMI with the same catalogue number. It was in fact issued in India with the same catalogue number, and South Africa with a different number. Eddie Cochran - Three Steps To Heaven (London) This has been a source of speculation on the 45worlds 78rpm entry. Pelletier's original London catalogue lists it on 78, and so does the RRPG. However, Pelletier published a revised London listing recently, and has acknowledged there is no evidence this was issued on 78. The contemporary Decca Catalogue lists it on 45 only. The 78 was issued in South Africa with a different catalogue number. Jimmy Jones - Good Timin' (MGM) 78 issued according to Pelletier's MGM listing, but like the Johnny Preston 78, he has suggested it was possibly just issued with the same number by EMI overseas. The RRPG has also listed this, though Pelletier has suggested that the publishers at Record Collector would take his word for it if he said a 78 existed. The contemporary EMI catalogue lists this as 45-only. It was issued on 78 in South Africa with a different catalogue number. Roy Orbison - Only The Lonely (Know How I Feel) (London) The holy grail, which probably doesn't exist (although some claim otherwise). It has been listed on 78 in the RRPG, and was in Pelletier's original London label catalogue. However, like the Eddie Cochran single, Pelletier's revised London listing casts doubt on this, and his website's corrections section acknowledges no evidence for their existence. He notes that these London singles "were assumed to have also been made available at 78 rpm on the basis of their UK Chart success, but the complete lack of evidence from various contemporary sources, including Decca Group trade release sheets and catalogues, clearly shows that other factors were required for a 78 rpm issue at this time, quite likely a demand from another country to which London releases could be exported." The annual Decca Group Catalogue published whilst this single was climbing the charts lists it as 45-only. There is some confusion in the next edition of the Catalogue, published after the single's chart run, which lists Only The Lonely as available on 78 in the Title Index. However, the B-side, Here Comes That Song Again, is listed as 45-only, and the Artist Index indicates no 78 issue under Roy Orbison. It was issued on 78 in South Africa with a different catalogue number. I don't think the New Records or Gramophone Popular Record Catalogue lists these as 78 issues - am I right? |
| 4th Jul 2020, 8:17 PM | #2 REPORT | |
| mister_tmg Also on 78rpm Member since Apr 2012 1118 Points | The following OCC no1s from 1960 were almost certainly not issued on 78 in the UK, with no source saying they were: Cliff Richard And The Shadows - Please Don't Tease (Columbia) Issued by Columbia with the same catalogue number in India, and a different one in South Africa. Johnny Kidd And The Pirates - Shakin' All Over (HMV) Issued on 78 by HMV in South Africa with a different catalogue number. It was also issued on 78 by Odeon in Brazil. The Shadows - Apache (Columbia) Issued on 78 in the Philippines with the same catalogue number, but by Parlophone. It was issued on Columbia in Turkey and South Africa with different catalogue numbers. Ricky Valance - Tell Laura I Love Her (Columbia) Issued on 78 with a variation of the same catalogue number in the Philippines, on Parlophone. Elvis Presley With The Jordanaires - It's Now Or Never (O Sole Mio) (RCA) Issued on 78 in South Africa with a different catalogue number and coupling. Cliff Richard And The Shadows - I Love You (Columbia) Issued by Columbia with the same catalogue number in India, and a different one in South Africa. There was only non-OCC no1 in 1960 that was not issued on 78, and again, no source says otherwise: Connie Francis - Mama / Robot Man (MGM) Both titles on this double A-side were issued on 78 by MGM in South Africa, but with different couplings, and different catalogue numbers. Mama was issued on 78 in Brazil and the Philippines. So all the 'official' UK no1s of 1960 were issued somewhere on 78 somewhere in the world, most with the same coupling. This means that you can find 78rpm pressings of all the UK no1s of 1960, if you include issues from overseas. 78s for Elvis Presley's It's Now Or Never and the Connie Francis single do not correspond with the UK issues in terms of disc couplings, but the songs are on 78rpm. Any comments or information welcomed. Edited by mister_tmg on 5th Jul 2020, 1:29 AM |
| 11th Jul 2020, 3:51 PM | #3 REPORT | |
 | Pridesale Member since Mar 2013 805 Points | I have been reading about the start of 45s, and one site, I forget which, suggested the last UK pressing of a 78 by the UK major labels was in 1962. If I find the source again I will confirm the disc tracks and artists. If Johnny Preston - Running Bear was on 78 it would be AMT 1079 which was on discogs but as a mis-numbered 45 without image.I am working on last Mercury 78s so we will overlap probably if we find it ! Is this it (popsike) ( https://www.popsike.com/thu/phpThumb.php?src=%2Fpix%2F20160516%2F401121816839.jpg&w=133&h=100&zc=1&hash=9b420da113dbc8cb0f50ec67d77abd9c But they could both be indian presses - there is a third result on popsike that is is indian . I note the prices of the Indian and South African Ones are quite high , worth a weeks pay or more in some places Edited by Pridesale on 11th Jul 2020, 4:02 PM |
| 14th Jul 2020, 1:40 PM | #4 REPORT | |
 | carryonsidney a happy disposition is an omnious sign.... Member since Feb 2010 1707 Points Moderator | Re Orbison's disc, I am wondering if London records exported masters to South africa or if SA made their own from tapes. If the London office exported the master [mother discs there is a very slim chance that the UK factory may have made 78rpm test pressings of Only the Lonely? |
| 15th Jul 2020, 12:17 AM | #5 REPORT | |
| Pridesale Member since Mar 2013 805 Points | CoS last time I looked at record information service website , Paul Pettlier stated that they have (for sale at the right price) Decca's internal books and data on their issues |
| 17th Jul 2020, 11:34 PM | #6 REPORT | |
| mister_tmg Also on 78rpm Member since Apr 2012 1118 Points |
Pridesale wrote:
I have been reading about the start of 45s, and one site, I forget which, suggested the last UK pressing of a 78 by the UK major labels was in 1962. If I find the source again I will confirm the disc tracks and artists.
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If Johnny Preston - Running Bear was on 78 it would be AMT 1079 which was on discogs but as a mis-numbered 45 without image.I am working on last Mercury 78s so we will overlap probably if we find it !
Is this it (popsike) ( https://www.popsike.com/thu/phpThumb.php?src=%2Fpix%2F20160516%2F401121816839.jpg&w=133&h=100&zc=1&hash=9b420da113dbc8cb0f50ec67d77abd9c But they could both be indian presses - there is a third result on popsike that is is indian . I note the prices of the Indian and South African Ones are quite high , worth a weeks pay or more in some places |
| 17th Jul 2020, 11:39 PM | #7 REPORT | |
| mister_tmg Also on 78rpm Member since Apr 2012 1118 Points |
carryonsidney wrote:
Re Orbison's disc, I am wondering if London records exported masters to South africa or if SA made their own from tapes. If the London office exported the master [mother discs there is a very slim chance that the UK factory may have made 78rpm test pressings of Only the Lonely?
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| 17th Jul 2020, 11:41 PM | #8 REPORT | |
| mister_tmg Also on 78rpm Member since Apr 2012 1118 Points |
Pridesale wrote:
CoS last time I looked at record information service website , Paul Pettlier stated that they have (for sale at the right price) Decca's internal books and data on their issues
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