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| 10th Apr 2021, 5:40 PM | #1 REPORT | |
 | Stephen Harris Member since Mar 2021 193 Points | I have a British Brunswick Ltd. record, cat# 3789 circa. 1928. British Brunswick Ltd. produced records around 1927-1929, i.e. in the period between Brunswick Cliftophone (c.1923-1927) and Brunswick Ltd. We don't currently have British Brunswick as a separate label, and I can't find any of their records listed here; so this may be a first. Should I request a new label be set up for British Brunswick or shall I just add my record to the existing Brunswick label for now? Thanks. British Brunswick Ltd. introduced the Brunswick shield, later used by Brunswick Ltd. but has "BRITISH BRUNSWICK LTD. MADE IN ENGLAND." at the bottom below the shield. |
| 10th Apr 2021, 6:52 PM | #2 REPORT | |
 | Redpunk SUBS Crates Are For Digging Member since Aug 2012 25322 Points Moderator | The label states in large letters Brunswick the British Brunswick Ltd is in smaller letters at the base of the label if this is the case it would just be classed as a series within the main Brunswick label. So just add as a normal Brunswick entry. |
| 10th Apr 2021, 8:02 PM | #3 REPORT | |
| Stephen Harris Member since Mar 2021 193 Points | Okay. British Brunswick are normally treated as a separate series (like Brunswick Cliftophone) and we don’t have any already in the Brunswick label area so best to check first. I’ll stick it there. |
| 10th Apr 2021, 8:24 PM | #4 REPORT | |
| Redpunk SUBS Crates Are For Digging Member since Aug 2012 25322 Points Moderator | That is my view but others may take a different view in which case it's not a problem to change it. Also if you go to the back of the Brunswick Discography (Page 39) you will find lots of British Brunswick this is due to the numbering system. Edited by Redpunk on 10th Apr 2021, 8:31 PM |
| 10th Apr 2021, 8:32 PM | #5 REPORT | |
| Stephen Harris Member since Mar 2021 193 Points | You’re right. At least it gets it onto the system this way, and with just one record (so far) it’s no big deal. I’ll add it to Brunswick label tomorrow |
| 10th Apr 2021, 8:39 PM | #6 REPORT | |
| Stephen Harris Member since Mar 2021 193 Points |
Redpunk wrote:
Also if you go to the back of the Brunswick Discography (Page 39) you will find lots of British Brunswick this is due to the numbering system.
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| 10th Apr 2021, 8:46 PM | #7 REPORT | |
| Redpunk SUBS Crates Are For Digging Member since Aug 2012 25322 Points Moderator | I'm confused (don't all rush forward and say they're not surprised) are you talking about something different to this https://www.45worlds.com/78rpm/record/3790 |
| 10th Apr 2021, 9:28 PM | #8 REPORT | |
| Stephen Harris Member since Mar 2021 193 Points | Yep, that’s certainly a British Brunswick label with and serial number and a 1928 date. That will teach me to reply on my iPhone... page 39 (of 81) on my phone starts with record:- Artist: Mel Tormé Label: Brunswick Country: UK Catalogue: 03831 Date: Dec 1947 I’ve just logged in with my Windows PC and page 39 (of 41) has all the entries you’re referring to. Sorry for the confusion. Now my confusion - I thought the entries were in date order so why aren’t the British Brunswick entries at the start ahead of the Brunswick Ltd ones? |
| 10th Apr 2021, 9:59 PM | #9 REPORT | |
| Stephen Harris Member since Mar 2021 193 Points | I just added my one and it's gone with the group on page 39. So Brunswick is ordered by Cat# but others I've been adding to e.g. Zonophone, Columbia are ordered by date (Cat# within date to be accurate). Why the difference?  |
| 10th Apr 2021, 10:18 PM | #10 REPORT | |
| Redpunk SUBS Crates Are For Digging Member since Aug 2012 25322 Points Moderator | For a simple sort the label can be ordered by date or Cat. No. I presume that in the beginning of 78RPM there were lots of undated 78's and very few of the early Cat. No.s so Cat. Order made sense. Now Brunswick label probably needs a custom sort with dividers for the different numbering systems but this is a major job which will be tackled at some point or a change to Cat. No. order but that can cause other problems. |
| 10th Apr 2021, 11:06 PM | #11 REPORT | |
| Stephen Harris Member since Mar 2021 193 Points |
Redpunk wrote:
Now Brunswick label probably needs a custom sort with dividers for the different numbering systems but this is a major job which will be tackled at some point or a change to Cat. No. order but that can cause other problems.
To be honest, I think a similar sort to Columbia with date then cat would work fine here, since all of the British Brunswick are an earlier series (Late 1920's) and would come chronologically ahead of the Brunswick Ltd records series (1930's, 40's, 50's). It would depend, as you say, on having release dates for all entries but it looks like these are already in place. I'd suggest switching it on and seeing if it looks better - can always switch it back if not. |
| 11th Apr 2021, 12:02 AM | #12 REPORT | |
| Redpunk SUBS Crates Are For Digging Member since Aug 2012 25322 Points Moderator | I will look into it to see what can be done. |
| 27th Apr 2021, 12:26 AM | #13 REPORT | |
| Pridesale Member since Mar 2013 805 Points | I think Discogs would have either a field allowing the three different legal entities to be noted and recorded, whereas Worlds and Cat generally dont differentiate between changes in legal ownership where the 'brand' or label is concerned, mostly as a number used by one owner may be retained in subsequent re-issues. Of course a note could be made, or in due course the custom mod/admin done sort break by owning entity era can at least pick out discs first released by the three main owning entities - did they all use the same production facilities ? |
| 27th Apr 2021, 9:53 AM | #14 REPORT | |
| Stephen Harris Member since Mar 2021 193 Points | Hi Pridesale, the main confusion in the Brunswick/British Brunswick case is that the record entries have been sorted by cat# rather than date, and due to an overlap in cat# used this has caused the earlier British Brunswick records to be 'lost' amongst the later Brunswick labels. I believe that Redpunk has requested a change to sort the entries by release date, which will separate the earlier British Brunswick labels ahead of the later Brunswick labels. It is arguable whether they should be further split out into a separate group but date sort will certainly address the immediate issue. |
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