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13th Aug 2021, 10:05 AM		#1 REPORT
	Burton LeB SUBS ● You don't see many of the rare ones, do you? Member since Jul 2012 1953 Points	While adding items - especially live gigs - I've noticed that there have been a number of bands who had two separate listings despite being the same outfit, the only difference being that the name sometimes had a 'The' prefix and sometimes not. I'm aware that some of these varied on their own record releases anyway, so wouldn't it just be easier in most cases to drop 'The' from the name generally unless it was an integral part of the name such as in The The or The Audience (to distinguish them from Audience) so that there is less chance for confusion? Any thoughts? After all, when filing LPs, 45s or CDs most would put The Doors under D, The Beatles under B, etc, or else we'd have a huge section under 'T'. Edited by SkayrKrow on 13th Aug 2021, 10:11 AM

13th Aug 2021, 10:30 AM		#2 REPORT
	Quad5point1 SUBS ● Member since Jul 2012 10721 Points	I think the most prolific would be The Small Faces. For most of their early career they are always Small Faces. Later on, probably from the 70's but mostly from the 80's and the introduction of CD's and multiple labels they would get either The Small Faces or Small Faces and I suppose with site conventions whatever is printed on the sleeves or discs is what rules.

13th Aug 2021, 12:46 PM		#3 REPORT
	lorangrecords SUBS (Ulf) Member since Jan 2013 5822 Points Moderator	I think it's best to have the oldest name to start with, and then it's just to use the "New linked pseudonym for this artist" and add other names that fits for the artist. Some people like to use the most common name, and that's ofcourse also a good idea. If there is a "The" on the release It shall be used.

13th Aug 2021, 2:22 PM		#4 REPORT
	Charlie Chalk Self praise is no recommendation. Member since Oct 2011 45410 Points Moderator	There's nothing wrong with having bands' names with and without 'The', as long as the names are linked. Wherever possible, I think we should be led by the bands' singles and albums as to which is the 'correct' name.

13th Aug 2021, 6:40 PM		#5 REPORT
	Burton LeB SUBS ● You don't see many of the rare ones, do you? Member since Jul 2012 1953 Points	I agree Charlie, it's slightly more problematic for live listing entries though, where it's sometimes the case that the same week's gigs at different venues have a band's name with and without the definite article before it!

13th Aug 2021, 7:03 PM		#6 REPORT
	Charlie Chalk Self praise is no recommendation. Member since Oct 2011 45410 Points Moderator	We just need to use common sense wherever we can, and ensure that the group names are linked. We therefore need members to prompt us wherever names are not linked. If we have images of tickets or flyers, then I think we need to let them guide us.

9th Sep 2021, 3:22 PM		#7 REPORT
	Pridesale Member since Mar 2013 805 Points	Sounds like it was economies of space or typeprinters ink that determined what could be fitted in. Historically playbill size and place was determined who was top of the bill and running orders (and payment). Unless there was a specific change of band name dropping the The , the playbills without it, implied it. Would love to see a bill with no The on it at all. Rolling Stones, Who, Faces, Shadows, Move, Beatles, Though of course Slade, Genesis, Deep Purple, Iron Maiden, Steeleye Span, Lindisfarne would all look wrong with a The. Main group that changed that I can think of Status Quo, Any others ?

9th Sep 2021, 11:39 PM		#8 REPORT
	Twistin Member since Jan 2012 2057 Points	The Sweet > Sweet

12th Sep 2021, 8:24 AM		#9 REPORT
	Fokeman I used to have a good memory but now I can't re Member since May 2011 5123 Points Moderator	The Pink Floyd - Pink Floyd

14th Sep 2021, 2:11 PM		#10 REPORT
	zabadak Caddacack oh da ca-caddacack, shy shy skagellack Member since Jun 2010 4176 Points	Cream were known as The Cream for a while in some territories

14th Sep 2021, 6:19 PM		#11 REPORT
	zabadak Caddacack oh da ca-caddacack, shy shy skagellack Member since Jun 2010 4176 Points

14th Sep 2021, 6:20 PM		#12 REPORT
	zabadak Caddacack oh da ca-caddacack, shy shy skagellack Member since Jun 2010 4176 Points

15th Sep 2021, 3:03 PM		#13 REPORT
	Magic Marmalade If you're not lost... It's not an adventure! Member since Jun 2014 3765 Points Moderator	I wonder if they have ever been referred to as: "The The The", given that "The The" is their full name, the addition of an extra "The" would indicate which "The The" is meant, or the they are the definite "The The", as in: The "The The"?

15th Sep 2021, 4:47 PM		#14 REPORT
	Burton LeB SUBS ● You don't see many of the rare ones, do you? Member since Jul 2012 1953 Points	Whilst often referred to as The Sex Pistols, the band were originally billed as Sex Pistols; likewise Joe Strummer and co started off as simply Clash.

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