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| 25th Apr 2024, 2:41 PM | #1 REPORT | |
 | Mike Wilson1 Musicologist Member since Dec 2019 26 Points | I have been asked by a collector who lists his stock by catalogue numbers to list the Decca 78's that I am looking for...Bit unusual but here are the numbers....If anybody has any of these please let me know..... Decca F 7472 Decca F 9349 Decca F 9406 Decca F 9454 Decca F 9485 Decca F 9486 Decca F 9493 Decca F 9598 Decca F 9610 Decca F 9614 Decca F 9643 Decca F 9752 Decca F 9755 Decca F 9972 |
| 25th Apr 2024, 9:37 PM | #2 REPORT | |
 | mister_tmg Also on 78rpm Member since Apr 2012 1118 Points | Would help if you listed the artists and titles too! |
| 5th May 2024, 9:21 PM | #3 REPORT | |
| Pridesale Member since Mar 2013 805 Points | Jimmy Young (5) - If I Had Wings / Take My Heart Decca F.9972 Shellac, 10" 1952 UK Matrix / Runout (A side label): DR.17138 Matrix / Runout (B side label): DR.17139 3 have 3 want on Discogs This is the only one I can see on Discogs and I would have said none exist ,but then this turns up. Presumably the rest are 1952 or earlier and appear in catelogues/flysheets ? |
| 5th May 2024, 9:29 PM | #4 REPORT | |
| Mike Wilson1 Musicologist Member since Dec 2019 26 Points |
Pridesale wrote:
Jimmy Young (5) - If I Had Wings / Take My Heart
Decca F.9972 Shellac, 10" 1952 UK Matrix / Runout (A side label): DR.17138 Matrix / Runout (B side label): DR.17139 3 have 3 want on Discogs This is the only one I can see on Discogs and I would have said none exist ,but then this turns up. Presumably the rest are 1952 or earlier and appear in catelogues/flysheets ? Apart from the first on the list, all the rest are after 1950 when there was a large influx of Decca releases prior to the 45 format becoming universal |
| 5th May 2024, 10:37 PM | #5 REPORT | |
| danceband91 Member since Nov 2020 119 Points | Here are the artists & titles for anyone wondering: F-7472 - Beryl Davis - Dreaming / Walkin' Thru' Mockin' Bird Lane F-9349 - Lee Lawrence - The Rose I Bring You / Rosa Mia F-9406 - The Stargazers - Telephone Song / The Cry Of The Wild Goose F-9454 - Alan Dean - If I Loved You / Somewhere A Star Is Shining F-9485 - Harry Roy & His Orchestra - He'd Have To Get Under, Get Out And Get Under / Simple Melody F-9486 - The Stargazers - The Comb And Paper Polka / What Brings Good Cheer F-9493 - Reggie Goff - Yes, I'll Be Here / Love Like Ours F-9598 - Lee Lawrence - Just Say I Love Her / Patricia F-9610 - Harry Roy & His Band - Saloon Bar Rag / After You Get What You Want F-9614 - Reggie Goff - So Long (It's Been Good To Know Yuh) / Two Loving Eyes F-9643 - The Stargazers - Fly Away Peter, Fly Away Paul / To Think You've Chosen Me F-9752 - Lee Lawrence - Forbidden Love / So Deep My Love F-9755 - Reggie Goff - Oh Marry Marry Me / Lily White Boy F-9972 - Jimmy Young - If I Had Wings / Take My Heart |
| 6th May 2024, 1:16 PM | #6 REPORT | |
| mister_tmg Also on 78rpm Member since Apr 2012 1118 Points | Thanks Peter! |
| 6th May 2024, 2:29 PM | #7 REPORT | |
| Pridesale Member since Mar 2013 805 Points | In the early 1950s Britain was skint. A lot of get up and go post WW2 generation got up and went - to New Zealand , South Africa , Canada and Australia, some young ladies went to the US with their air service etc sweethearts. Residential buildings needed, rebuilding, city centres went quick to the suburbs and starting new towns, rationing was still happening The heyday of the coach tour and day trip to the coast, and the young (old teens/early twenties) were going for the experience rather than acquiring product - so it was Friday/Saturday night dance nights , Thursday Night Cinema for the latest release. Sundays had no shops open and it was the remants of BBC Comedy and Drama on the Radio. Those who had money invested it in TVs and it was the Cornonation that kick started Britain in to Colour, folk bought cameras and started their home movies, comedians etc still filled the Hippodromes and Empire circuit variety halls (those left standing after WW2), and others with money invested in these new fangled LP record players acquiring their long concerts they could conduct at home.(though even then early creator of the LP Columbia would not press until Dec 1952 for the UK) Decca were earlier but we have hardly any listed here for 1950/51 on Capitol/Decca/Brunswick) Maybe more Export or Die was the order of the day, These titles managed to be not quite ear catching enough , and if not sold enough to get through 50 years of attrition of deaceased estate clearing , house downsizing whatever it is not surprising they wont be found without someone going off to the few remaining bulk sales locations of the country |
| 6th May 2024, 2:37 PM | #8 REPORT | |
| Pridesale Member since Mar 2013 805 Points | You might say, these appeared in books of "chart hits" , I suspect a) it was a low bar, and b) a one week spluge at the record retailers does not a sustained retention of disc make |
| 6th May 2024, 3:31 PM | #9 REPORT | |
| mister_tmg Also on 78rpm Member since Apr 2012 1118 Points | You paint an interesting picture of Britain at the time of those records, Pridesale. Pridesale wrote:
You might say, these appeared in books of "chart hits" , I suspect a) it was a low bar, and b) a one week spluge at the record retailers does not a sustained retention of disc make
In the UK, I believe that after a boom in record sales in the late 1920s, they did not recover again until the 1950s - probably in the rock era. Sheet music outsold records until the mid-50s, as far as I know. In George Martin’s memoirs, he discusses his time at Parlophone in the early 50s and says you only needed to press a few hundred copies of a record. I have copies of all the Bob and Alf Pearson 78s on that label from 1949 to 1953 except Big Bits of Big Hits (the first in the series), which never turns up, although Redpunk here has it. I wonder what the sales figures were like for records in Britain during this era. |
| 6th May 2024, 4:29 PM | #10 REPORT | |
| danceband91 Member since Nov 2020 119 Points |
mister_tmg wrote:
Yes, it would be useful to see the chart data for the records which Mike is looking for. Did they just spend a week in the lower rungs of the listings?
F-7472 - 24 Jun 40 - 26 F-9349 - 06 Feb 50-27 Feb 50 - 29, 28, 28, 27 F-9406 - 08 May 50-29 May 50 - 28, 27, 28, 29 F-9454 - 10 Jul 50-31 Jul 50 - 24, 27, 28, 28 F-9485 - 11 Sep 50-06 Nov 50 - 28, 25, 24, 24, 24, 22, 21, 22, 28 F-9486 - 11 Sep 50-25 Sep 50 - 30, 30, 29 F-9493 - 06 Nov 50-15 Jan 51 - 18, 13, 11, 10, 11, 14, 22, 22, 22, 27, 30 F-9598 - 05 Feb 51-26 Mar 51 - 23, 17, 15, 12, 21, 22, 28, 27 F-9610 - 05 Mar 51-09 Apr 51 - 28, 23, 21, 20, 27, 30 F-9614 - 19 Mar 51-26 Mar 51 - 27, 24 F-9643 - 02 Apr 51-30 Apr 51 - 23, 21, 23, 27, 28 F-9752 - 10 Sep 51-05 Nov 51 - 22, 18, 16, 19, 21, 22, 24, 25, 29 F-9755 - 08 Oct 51-12 Nov 51; 26 Nov 51-03 Dec 51 - 26, 24, 23, 24, 24, 25 || 26, 29 F-9972 - 01 Sep 52-29 Sep 52 - 26, 22, 20, 19, 24 mister_tmg wrote:
I wonder what the sales figures were like for records in Britain during this era.
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| 6th May 2024, 4:43 PM | #11 REPORT | |
| mister_tmg Also on 78rpm Member since Apr 2012 1118 Points | Thanks for chart info, Peter. Could you possibly add the same for Mike’s lists of “wants” please? I’m inclined to disregard the “real charts” website. There was discussion of it on the UK Mix forum which you might want to look at. He is so vague about his mystery sources that you can’t help thinking he’s a bit of a fantasist. He admits to counting pirated or copied singles in his explanation of the chart, which is a big red flag. In the case of the charts from this era, he could be using the missing charts data. He could also have acquired Colin Brown’s sales data. Either way, I think they’re best ignored. |
| 6th May 2024, 5:20 PM | #12 REPORT | |
| danceband91 Member since Nov 2020 119 Points |
mister_tmg wrote:
Thanks for chart info, Peter. Could you possibly add the same for Mike’s lists of “wants” please?
I’m inclined to disregard the “real charts” website. There was discussion of it on the UK Mix forum which you might want to look at. He is so vague about his mystery sources that you can’t help thinking he’s a bit of a fantasist. He admits to counting pirated or copied singles in his explanation of the chart, which is a big red flag. In the case of the charts from this era, he could be using the missing charts data. He could also have acquired Colin Brown’s sales data. Either way, I think they’re best ignored. I've added the chart data to Mike's topic on the "final fourteen" 40s recordings. I don't think he's put up a complete list of the missing 50s records here. As for the "real chart", I believe I did read that forum discussion. I don't understand why you would keep your sources so much of a mystery, unless of course revealing them would call into question their reliability! The 1948-52 charts have exactly the same errors as the Missing Charts book, although the chart positions etc. are different. As you say, he may well have acquired Colin Brown's original data. |
| 6th May 2024, 11:40 PM | #13 REPORT | |
| mister_tmg Also on 78rpm Member since Apr 2012 1118 Points | Glad you read it, and thanks for the info. Catalogue numbers, artists, titles, for ease of reference: F-7472 - Beryl Davis - Dreaming / Walkin' Thru' Mockin' Bird Lane - 24 Jun 40 - 26 F-9349 - Lee Lawrence - The Rose I Bring You / Rosa Mia - 06 Feb 50-27 Feb 50 - 29, 28, 28, 27 F-9406 - The Stargazers - Telephone Song / The Cry Of The Wild Goose - 08 May 50-29 May 50 - 28, 27, 28, 29 F-9454 - Alan Dean - If I Loved You / Somewhere A Star Is Shining - 10 Jul 50-31 Jul 50 - 24, 27, 28, 28 F-9485 - Harry Roy & His Orchestra - He'd Have To Get Under, Get Out And Get Under / Simple Melody - 11 Sep 50-06 Nov 50 - 28, 25, 24, 24, 24, 22, 21, 22, 28 F-9486 - The Stargazers - The Comb And Paper Polka / What Brings Good Cheer - 11 Sep 50-25 Sep 50 - 30, 30, 29 F-9493 - Reggie Goff - Yes, I'll Be Here / Love Like Ours - 06 Nov 50-15 Jan 51 - 18, 13, 11, 10, 11, 14, 22, 22, 22, 27, 30 F-9598 - Lee Lawrence - Just Say I Love Her / Patricia - 05 Feb 51-26 Mar 51 - 23, 17, 15, 12, 21, 22, 28, 27 F-9610 - Harry Roy & His Band - Saloon Bar Rag / After You Get What You Want - 05 Mar 51-09 Apr 51 - 28, 23, 21, 20, 27, 30 F-9614 - Reggie Goff - So Long (It's Been Good To Know Yuh) / Two Loving Eyes - 19 Mar 51-26 Mar 51 - 27, 24 F-9643 - The Stargazers - Fly Away Peter, Fly Away Paul / To Think You've Chosen Me - 02 Apr 51-30 Apr 51 - 23, 21, 23, 27, 28 F-9752 - Lee Lawrence - Forbidden Love / So Deep My Love - 10 Sep 51-05 Nov 51 - 22, 18, 16, 19, 21, 22, 24, 25, 29 F-9755 - Reggie Goff - Oh Marry Marry Me / Lily White Boy - 08 Oct 51-12 Nov 51; 26 Nov 51-03 Dec 51 - 26, 24, 23, 24, 24, 25 || 26, 29 F-9972 - Jimmy Young - If I Had Wings / Take My Heart - 01 Sep 52-29 Sep 52 - 26, 22, 20, 19, 24 |
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