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| 7th May 2024, 12:35 PM | #1 REPORT | |
 | Mike Wilson1 Musicologist Member since Dec 2019 26 Points | In the early 1950's Alan Dean released a 78 rpm on Decca (F 9454).....It did not sell shed loads of copies but must have appealed to some as it was classed as a popular record....I have never heard this song, have you ?.....In fact I must admit that I have heard nothing by Mr. Dean at all but I would love to hear "If I Loved You" which was the one released by Decca.....Do you have it ?....Have you heard it ? Have you seen it on any compilation ?.....It is one of the few from the period 1940 -1952 that I do not have so can you help me |
| 7th May 2024, 3:21 PM | #2 REPORT | |
 | mister_tmg Also on 78rpm Member since Apr 2012 1118 Points | You can see the label online, it apparently sold on eBay back in 2013 for £1.18 (or 99p?). The records you’re looking for are probably like many I’m interested in - rare, but not valuable as such. https://www.rootsvinylguide.com/ebay_items/alan-dean-if-i-loved-you-somewhere-a-star-is-shinging-v-g You say you’ve never heard the song, but are you not familiar with it at all? It was from the musical Carousel, and quite well known. |
| 7th May 2024, 4:35 PM | #3 REPORT | |
| Mike Wilson1 Musicologist Member since Dec 2019 26 Points |
mister_tmg wrote:
You can see the label online, it apparently sold on eBay back in 2013 for £1.18 (or 99p?). The records you’re looking for are probably like many I’m interested in - rare, but not valuable as such.
https://www.rootsvinylguide.com/ebay_items/alan-dean-if-i-loved-you-somewhere-a-star-is-shinging-v-g You say you’ve never heard the song, but are you not familiar with it at all? It was from the musical Carousel, and quite well known. Oh I do know the song then !!.....I sometimes wish that the discs we are looking for were a bit more valuable then perhaps more people would have hung on to them....I once sold 100,000 78's to a factory in Warrington that were making coasters out of the middles of the records....Wonder what goodies I missed !! |
| 7th May 2024, 5:18 PM | #4 REPORT | |
| mister_tmg Also on 78rpm Member since Apr 2012 1118 Points | I’m glad you do know the song! I’d have been surprised if you hadn’t. Yes, I know what you mean. I don’t think British pop music from that era is valuable. I wonder if the coasters show the record labels. You can buy some coasters like that! Also another problem with collecting this stuff is that there are fewer places to buy 78s in person. On the plus side, you can find a lot online, but who knows what’s out there which people haven’t listed for sale? |
| 9th May 2024, 6:00 PM | #5 REPORT | |
| Pridesale Member since Mar 2013 805 Points | "popular" is an industry genre , as in "jazz" "classical" , not a reporting of massive sales of any kind of discs. In all honesty half at least of the music filed under popular is dire. In the uk although derived from Popular "Pop" is sort of different being generally more upbeat with the likes of Rock as sub genre. Perry Como and Donald Peers were "Popular" Artists, the kind of whoms LPs you bought for you mum's birthday |
| 9th May 2024, 6:11 PM | #6 REPORT | |
| Mike Wilson1 Musicologist Member since Dec 2019 26 Points |
Pridesale wrote:
"popular" is an industry genre , as in "jazz" "classical" , not a reporting of massive sales of any kind of discs. In all honesty half at least of the music filed under popular is dire. In the uk although derived from Popular "Pop" is sort of different being generally more upbeat with the likes of Rock as sub genre. Perry Como and Donald Peers were "Popular" Artists, the kind of whoms LPs you bought for you mum's birthday
I use the word popular as a definition of the discs listed in the book The Missing Charts as, even though no actual charts existed, the discs mentioned must have achieved a certain level of "popularity" to be mentioned in the book at all |
| 9th May 2024, 6:15 PM | #7 REPORT | |
| Pridesale Member since Mar 2013 805 Points | you didnt declare where the epitaph of popular for the disc was derived from |
| 9th May 2024, 8:05 PM | #8 REPORT | |
| Mike Wilson1 Musicologist Member since Dec 2019 26 Points |
Pridesale wrote:
you didnt declare where the epitaph of popular for the disc was derived from
Bit too clever for me I'm afraid as I do not understand that sentence |
| 10th May 2024, 12:44 AM | #9 REPORT | |
| mister_tmg Also on 78rpm Member since Apr 2012 1118 Points |
Pridesale wrote:
"popular" is an industry genre , as in "jazz" "classical" , not a reporting of massive sales of any kind of discs. In all honesty half at least of the music filed under popular is dire. In the uk although derived from Popular "Pop" is sort of different being generally more upbeat with the likes of Rock as sub genre. Perry Como and Donald Peers were "Popular" Artists, the kind of whoms LPs you bought for you mum's birthday
Pop music is just "mainstream" music with mass appeal really, in the form of short pieces, usually with vocals. Isn't it the same definition in the US, and around the world? The genre name doesn't always mean that a record was "popular". I think when you say half of it is dire, it's down to personal taste. One man's meat is another man's poison. Yes, Perry Como and Donald Peers would have been filed under "Pop" at one point, although when their LPs were being bought for your mum's birthday, they had probably become "easy listening". But Mike is referring to the Alan Dean record being "popular" in the sense of achieving big enough sales figures to have qualified for the retrospective "missing charts". Pridesale, an epitaph is what one puts on a gravestone! There are a few definitions of it here. Americans seem to refer to pre-rock music of this nature as "traditional pop". |
| 10th May 2024, 3:05 PM | #10 REPORT | |
| Pridesale Member since Mar 2013 805 Points | I seem to remember Sir Humphrey in Yes , Prime Minister, referring to a comment that Jim Hacker as made as a "epitaph that could not be assigned to the report of event that had occured" - I think the specific word was "true", such it the nature of english to mangle phrases in certain places beyond that which the OED / Chambers might have normally recorded ( At work we used to refer to normal Coca-Cola as "Full Fat" , when doing the daily sandwich man order for the office, and the caffeine free as "Unleaded" - maybe I just worked in an odd office but it seemed to happen in at least two different employments 80 miles apart) |
| 10th May 2024, 3:31 PM | #11 REPORT | |
| Mike Wilson1 Musicologist Member since Dec 2019 26 Points |
Pridesale wrote:
I seem to remember Sir Humphrey in Yes , Prime Minister, referring to a comment that Jim Hacker as made as a "epitaph that could not be assigned to the report of event that had occured" - I think the specific word was "true", such it the nature of english to mangle phrases in certain places beyond that which the OED / Chambers might have normally recorded ( At work we used to refer to normal Coca-Cola as "Full Fat" , when doing the daily sandwich man order for the office, and the caffeine free as "Unleaded" - maybe I just worked in an odd office but it seemed to happen in at least two different employments 80 miles apart)
Totally lost on this.....Sorry |
| 10th May 2024, 4:39 PM | #12 REPORT | |
| mister_tmg Also on 78rpm Member since Apr 2012 1118 Points | Yes, I am a bit too! |
| 10th May 2024, 9:10 PM | #13 REPORT | |
| Pridesale Member since Mar 2013 805 Points | I think I meant Epithet, sorry !! (I spelled it thinking the H was silent) |
| 11th May 2024, 10:55 AM | #14 REPORT | |
| Mike Wilson1 Musicologist Member since Dec 2019 26 Points |
Pridesale wrote:
I think I meant Epithet, sorry !! (I spelled it thinking the H was silent)
Still totally lost in the track of this conversation I'm afraid ......Getting back to basics I still have approx 14 sides that I need to complete the library of songs from 1940- 1949....The list is actually bigger than that but I have promises on a few and I have placed a commission with Kings College for 5 transfers |
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