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| 5th Oct 2024, 3:39 PM | #1 REPORT | |
 | Gill Sans SUBS Member since Apr 2014 1108 Points Moderator | In the past few days I have come across three examples of classicasl performers who appear to have been invented by record labels, in particular by two labels that seem to have plagiarised lesser-known recordings by masters of the genre. It's odd that one appears on HMV. Conductor Thomas Greene Conductor Riccardo Cariolo Pianist Ronald Smith These have been discussed by a few classical recording enthusiasts: Pseudonyms: Alfred Scholz and the South German Philharmonic Thomas Greene - Information please Any further instances and information would be very welcome. |
| 5th Oct 2024, 5:36 PM | #2 REPORT | |
| Gill Sans SUBS Member since Apr 2014 1108 Points Moderator | Composers are not "Invented" by these labels, that would be taking the p*ss one step too far. The one exception is of course P.D.Q. Bach, who was made, not begotten, by Peter Schickele  |
| 5th Oct 2024, 9:12 PM | #3 REPORT | |
 | TheJudge In-house specialist in drive-by moddings. Member since Dec 2012 3714 Points Moderator | This set (which I added a couple of weeks ago) consists of nothing but pseudonymic performers. Edited by moderator on 5th Oct 2024, 9:51 PM |
| 5th Oct 2024, 9:57 PM | #4 REPORT | |
 | LaurenceD SUBS Member since Aug 2011 7672 Points Moderator | The Aries label based in Reseda California gained some notoriety for releasing BBC recordings of symphonies by Havergal Brian, and using pseudonyms for the performers. |
| 5th Oct 2024, 10:30 PM | #5 REPORT | |
| Gill Sans SUBS Member since Apr 2014 1108 Points Moderator | Thanks for the links Laurence, another useful resource for these artists. I've just spotted another conductor, Alfred Scholz, who once again doesn't have his own Wikipedia entry, though one of his pseudonymss, Alberto Lizzio, does, where there are further links to other imaginary artists. For all these names, no life dates are to be found. Edited by Gill Sans on 5th Oct 2024, 10:45 PM |
| 6th Oct 2024, 11:12 PM | #6 REPORT | |
| singlephile Member since Jun 2022 27 Points | René Köhler is the name of a bogus conductor used by William Barrington-Coupe as part of his Joyce Hatto fraud. Phil Hebblethwaite detailed the case in The Quietus journal. |
| 6th Oct 2024, 11:14 PM | #7 REPORT | |
| singlephile Member since Jun 2022 27 Points | For something completely different, Dietriech Walther is the fictitious conductor of Beethoven's Second Symphony on ZDF, with Justus Pankau the mythical soloist. In this instance, even the performance itself is non-existent. |
| 7th Oct 2024, 12:04 AM | #8 REPORT | |
| Gill Sans SUBS Member since Apr 2014 1108 Points Moderator | Thanks you, SP. I won't worry too much about René Köhler  Yes, I had the Hatto affair in mind, having spoken to Andrew Rose about his work exposing the sad fraud. |
| 15th Oct 2024, 10:32 PM | #9 REPORT | |
| Pridesale Member since Mar 2013 798 Points | I may have commented elsewhere on this before. There are a variety of situations Real Person Using a Different Name to avoid a contract dispute if signed to different label / promotor / publisher Real Person being used by a 3rd Party without authorisation (some Saga/Associated Recordings in UK being one example) NoName session group etc gathered by the writers or label to perform and record something Real Person on a Budget Label of larger label recycled into new name . Variation is an overseas recording then repressed into a local market with different name. Person seeking to avoid publicity due to fame only selling when they wanted the work to speak for itself. There probably is a list on the net, but I don't think Discogs/Cat/Worlds has full output of every attribution nor of being sure whom the underlying performer is. There are probably some made up performers in discography books to catch copyists out Edited by moderator on 21st Oct 2024, 9:55 AM |
| 23rd Oct 2024, 11:19 AM | #10 REPORT | |
| Gill Sans SUBS Member since Apr 2014 1108 Points Moderator | Thanks to TheJudge and singlephile for further examples, I'll try to get these suitably 'credited' later. Another conductor I suspect may be "Invented" is M. Valentino; all I can find on (him) is the glowing praise claimed on the sleeve below for his growing fame around the world  |
| 24th Oct 2024, 8:08 PM | #11 REPORT | |
| Pridesale Member since Mar 2013 798 Points | Valentino / M.Valentino The EP is from a Am-Par (American Paramount) LP of 1957 and in 1958 a further LP was issued Valentino, His Piano & Orchestra – Stairway To Paradise ABC-Paramount – ABC-217 Given the connection to the film company the conductor would probably be another under a differing name connected to the film company ? |
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