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| 13th Dec 2012, 9:04 AM | #1 REPORT | |
 | leonard BLANK Member since Jun 2011 45482 Points Moderator | I've been going through my cd singles and the ones already submitted here and had a good look where they were made and where they probably were issued and I can come only to one conclusion: it will get a mess. I think it will be better to forget about the whole country thing and throw all on one big heap! A Nirvana single that sold hundred thousands all over Europe and in the UK is now listed under France (where it was made). A Van Morrison single that was #1 in Holland will probably end up being British although it was made in Germany... Forget borders and let's unite. Another advantage will be that we don't have to have these discussions anymore. |
| 13th Dec 2012, 9:19 AM | #2 REPORT | |
 | Dr Doom SUBS I wanna eat an artichoke once in a while Member since Feb 2008 25207 Points Administrator | We are considering this, we're going to see how things go. If needed in the future it would be a simple task to auto-change all CD singles from European countries to simply 'Europe' Really we need to get more examples on the database to see how things will pan out. It wouldn't be good to lose the countries altogether as I think a Depeche Mode collector (as an example) would like to see Japanese or North American CD singles on their own. Once again... Country of manufacture is irrelevant for deciding which region to choose. Edited by Dr Doom on 13th Dec 2012, 9:21 AM |
| 13th Dec 2012, 9:29 AM | #3 REPORT | |
 | thatsunday Member since Dec 2012 4541 Points Moderator | IMHO having Europe as a country is the perfect solution. 80% of all releases can be easily assigned to a country as they have local artists or local labels. For sure (and mentioned before) indie labels like Domino are distributed all over Europe, but these have their base in one country and their releases should be added to their homeland. The remaining 20% (centrally manufactured and distributed major label stuff) are simply Europe. |
| 13th Dec 2012, 9:33 AM | #4 REPORT | |
| Dr Doom SUBS I wanna eat an artichoke once in a while Member since Feb 2008 25207 Points Administrator | I've been thinking that a good way to consider it is... Where are the label based? Domino = UK Creation = UK City Slang = Germany Elefant = Spain Sony, Universal, EMI etc. = An office in most major countries. The problems arise of course because there are so many exceptions (City Slang moved their main office around Europe at various times) It seem to be part of our collectors nature to point out these exceptions rather than being at peace with the 99% of times when a general rule works!  |
| 13th Dec 2012, 3:02 PM | #5 REPORT | |
 | LouisSidney Member since May 2012 10620 Points | When you say 'Europe', are you including Great-Britain ?  Edited by LouisSidney on 13th Dec 2012, 3:02 PM |
| 13th Dec 2012, 3:18 PM | #6 REPORT | |
| Dr Doom SUBS I wanna eat an artichoke once in a while Member since Feb 2008 25207 Points Administrator |
LouisSidney wrote:
When you say 'Europe', are you including Great-Britain ?
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| 16th Dec 2012, 6:30 PM | #7 REPORT | |
| Billy Two Matthew 7:7 Member since Nov 2008 3211 Points Moderator |
leonard wrote:
A Van Morrison single that was #1 in Holland will probably end up being British although it was made in Germany...
Of the small amount of cds I've added so far, a few have had more than one cat# - a specific one for Europe, a specific one for UK, and often a specific one for either France or Germany (there are almost certainly more variations.). This does apply for the Van Morrison/Chieftans cd - there is a distinct UK# of MERCD 262CD and an "International" # of 870 387-2. I've also just gone to add a Flaming Lips CD (part 1 of a 2 cd set of She Don't Use Jelly), and the Part 2 is already entered as being European but with the UK cat# of WO246CDX. If this uses 9362-41759-2 then it would have a correct European cat#. Or WE 739 if it had been entered as French, or indeed WO246CDX for UK. All three of these variations would be officially correct, as this would be how the item has been catalogued by the company (WEA) themselves. I've only looked at a handful of cds so far, but it does look as if the major companies have already done the work for us of defining whether the cds they've released can be added as distinctly separate UK/French/European etc releases... |
| 16th Dec 2012, 8:16 PM | #8 REPORT | |
| thatsunday Member since Dec 2012 4541 Points Moderator | I would like to add some thoughts to this (mostly based on my Polygram/Universal experiences). Numbers like WE 739 aren't catalogue numbers but distributors price codes for France which were mandatory there. On german releases the labelcode (starting with LC) is often mistaken for a cat no. Regarding the UK (label) catalogue numbers and the international ones, based on Polygram/Universal: - all commercial releases should have the international number, even if the release is only locally released. Most of the times it's clearly visible on the artwork, sometimes it is hidden in the barcode (as digits) - this international cat no is centrally assigned (by an Universal Music office in the Netherlands, also reponsible for licensing and copyrights) - even a small change in the tracklisting (ie a bonus track for the UK version) requires a new cat no (UPC) - the label catalogue numbers have no real use today as everything is based on the UPC (manufacturing, ordering, distribution) This is an example how I entered two different pressings of the same release with nearly identical artwork, down to cat nos and barcode [image]432[/image] UK : pressed in the UK, entered with label number BRXCD 2, international number 874 255-2 as secondary. Both nos have a relevance (IMHO) for identifying the release (part of a UK release sequence resp. ordering) Europe: pressed in Germany, entered with 874 255-2 only. I haven't entered BRXCD 2 despite it being in the artwork because it wasn't used for reference in Europe. Does this makes sense? From my point of view Europe is a good catch all for a lot of release, but what about releases for Benelux, Scandinavia or GAS (Germany, Austria, Switzerland)? I tend to enter these under the country which makes the most sense (ie home country of the artist or the label), but there will be some grey areas too... |
| 16th Dec 2012, 8:58 PM | #9 REPORT | |
| LouisSidney Member since May 2012 10620 Points | I've re-checked all my 'French' contributions, and I feel they're really French, mostly because they couldn't appeal to any other country... That's just my opinion. |
| 16th Dec 2012, 9:12 PM | #10 REPORT | |
| Billy Two Matthew 7:7 Member since Nov 2008 3211 Points Moderator | Ah yes, I see what you mean about the distributor code, thatsunday...just seen it's WE739 on more than one Flaming Lips cd ! Apart from that, I think you've said here (in a clearer, more informed way) what I was generally trying to get at. |
| 7th Jan 2013, 12:38 PM | #11 REPORT | |
| vinylxs Member since Jan 2013 8 Points | Just came back from holidays all miserable and I've just seen this and it's like Christmas has come back already! Just a suggestion with the Europe tag it may be good to have one for Europe including the UK and one for Europe excluding the UK. From experience I found that the UK singles market in the 80s and 90s frequently had quite independent CD single releases from those on the continent (UKIP would be proud!). This was mainly for two reasons. Firstly due to the size and importance of the UK singles market and secondly due to annoying limitations on how many tracks a single could have or how long it could be. This was quite notable around 1988-90 when CD singles sales started to take off. For example CBS released 3" singles on the continent (normally duplicating the 12" and sometimes the 7' on a separate release), while here in the UK we got a 5" single with tracks selected from both the 7" and 12". Virgin on the other hand would only release 3" discs in the UK but 5" discs for the rest of Europe - usually with the same tracks however. Releases from WEA were only on 3" singles and generally exactly the same for both the UK and Europe. I presume Ireland got the same releases as the UK (and those in Eastern Europe got nothing at al! around that time!). |
| 9th Jan 2013, 6:05 AM | #12 REPORT | |
 | Carouselambra SUBS Classic Hard Rock Collector Member since Sep 2012 608 Points | I just added all my Queen 5" CD singles and it definitely was difficult trying to identify the non UK / US singles for country of origin. Maybe two catagories for Europe (such as suggested earlier of Europe-UK and Europe) might be the way to go. |
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