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| 19th Aug 2013, 11:01 AM | #1 REPORT | |
 | Juke Jules SUBS ● Tell me he's lazy, tell me he's slow Member since Jan 2011 4138 Points Moderator | I'm not sure what defines a CDR Promo copy AIUI wikipedia defines the CD-R Format as a disc that can be recorded with mixed audio and data, but maybe that is not the point here, otherwise we should have a format for those commercial releases which include a video If you search+filter for CDR Promo we see a lot of those typical 'promo' copies with no cat.no. or evidence of country. I've been adding these as just 'Promo' so what is the distinction? |
| 20th Aug 2013, 8:03 AM | #2 REPORT | |
 | nboldock Lend me ten pounds and I'll buy you a drink. Member since Feb 2012 7167 Points Moderator | I stand to be corrected but I believe the playing surface on a CDR is blue. |
| 20th Aug 2013, 10:32 AM | #3 REPORT | |
 | Billy Two Matthew 7:7 Member since Nov 2008 3211 Points Moderator | I'd agree with NB, though would add that it isn't always blue - just not silver. There's bound to be exceptions, but the CD-R is the writable cd you buy in packs in WH Smith or the like, and tend to have paper or hand written labels. These CD-Rs can be produced to demand, quickly, in the comfort of an office or front room. They're a bit unstable and some cd players don't like them, but they're functionally cheap and cheerful much like being able to run off a C15 on a tape to tape Silver backed discs are generally "glass masters"manufactured at pressing plants with labels printed onto the the actual disc. They're pretty much the finished article, and would be used for radio stations or well financed mass PR. The distinction between the two is really a bit tenuous to be honest - millions of smaller DIY artists use CD-R's to issue full releases as they are so cheap and user friendly to produce, and bigger releases sometimes have both CD-R and silver backed promo issues... |
| 21st Aug 2013, 12:17 AM | #4 REPORT | |
| cvalda44 Member since May 2013 436 Points | A CD audio which includes extra videos or other data files is called Enhanced CD. Such format should be available imo. Regarding CDRs - they can be blue or green, early CDRs were mostly gold. There are also silver CDRs exist but they are rather rare. A silver CDR doesn't look exactly like silver pressed CD - there are different lightning effects etc. Btw, factory pressed disc can be gold as well- although again it's an extreme rarity. 90% or even more of CD-Rs have black dotted code printed in the inner rim. This is the best way to determine a CD-R. Pressed CDs do not have the black dotted code but comparing to CD-Rs their matrix area data is normally more complex. Some bootlegs can be an exception. CD-R promos disc face design is usually simple: black text with basic info plus label logo. But sometimes CDR promos are made very well :) |
| 21st Aug 2013, 11:20 AM | #5 REPORT | |
 | musicmasters Completely ready when you are Shaky Member since Dec 2011 1524 Points | Promo CDs normally fall into two types, one is just a standard cd single with the word promo on it as part of the design and usually a warning like "Promotional Copy - Not For Resale" - they will also have a unique catalogue number. The two types are: Same track listing as standard issue - these often have a letter "P" added to the cat. no. or "DJ". The second type can have many variations from just a single track (often marked 'radio edit'), or a selection of mixes which are different to the commercial release, or even be used to promote an album, in which case it may have a selection of tracks from the album - often the catalogue number on these is not related to the commercial release, so can be based on the title of the single/album being promoted e.g. I have one for U2's "Please" single - where it's a 1 tracker with the cat. no. "PLEASE 1" - each record company has its own way of numbering these so a bit of a minefield. Usually you will find the cat. no. on the playing side near the centre - engraved into the plastic. All of the above are pressed from the glass mastering process. CD-Rs tend to look totally different on the playing surface - and near the centre hole, you can normally see something like CDR 60, CDR 74, CDR 80 - these relate to the maximum possible recording times on the disc and should not be confused with catalogue numbers. ALL promo cds on these type of discs should be labelled on here as CDR Promos. The actual recording substrate is an organic compound and varies in colour - you will see blue/green/silver/dark red and even yellow. Care should be taken with these discs as this compound is light sensitive, so a disc left in bright sunlight will become unplayable - the damage is permanent! Best to keep cdr promos in the dark when not in use. The label side can be silver or white, with some companies printing custom labels. Usually CDR promos do not have a catalogue number, and often contain unique mixes which don't get commercially released. The info. on these can either be printed on the disc, these are the ones that go out to radio stations etc., there are also custom pressings, these are usually handwritten, and produced in much smaller numbers - and some are the cd equivalent of the acetates of records, i.e. a test pressing. I have quite a large collection of these going back to the mid 1990's - some are probably one-offs? Please be aware that these type are extremely easy to fake, so care should be taken if you are paying a high price for something apparently rare. |
| 21st Aug 2013, 1:09 PM | #6 REPORT | |
 | Dr Doom SUBS I wanna eat an artichoke once in a while Member since Feb 2008 25207 Points Administrator |
musicmasters wrote:
The label side can be silver or white, with some companies printing custom labels.
Usually CDR promos do not have a catalogue number, and often contain unique mixes which don't get commercially released. The info. on these can either be printed on the disc, these are the ones that go out to radio stations etc., there are also custom pressings, these are usually handwritten, and produced in much smaller numbers - and some are the cd equivalent of the acetates of records, i.e. a test pressing. I have quite a large collection of these going back to the mid 1990's - some are probably one-offs? Please be aware that these type are extremely easy to fake, so care should be taken if you are paying a high price for something apparently rare. These are a lot of the reason why I made CDR a format of it's own. There are many singles which were never physically released as a finished product. Straight to download and only a small run of CDRs for radio/promo etc. |
| 17th Sep 2013, 9:06 PM | #7 REPORT | |
| Juke Jules SUBS ● Tell me he's lazy, tell me he's slow Member since Jan 2011 4138 Points Moderator | OK, not sure I'm much the wiser, and no-one has picked up on the correction "NOT A CD-R" made by Wesco83 on these: nc647617us nc355516us nc674196us Edited by Juke Jules on 17th Sep 2013, 9:07 PM |
| 18th Sep 2013, 9:18 AM | #8 REPORT | |
| Billy Two Matthew 7:7 Member since Nov 2008 3211 Points Moderator | Impossible to tell for 100% with just one image, but they don't look like CDR's to me. The image looks like it's printed "on body" as is more common with silver backed cd's, rather than the stuck-on "Neato" label you tend to get with cdr's. Edited by Billy Two on 18th Sep 2013, 9:22 AM |
| 18th Sep 2013, 9:48 AM | #9 REPORT | |
 | harley Member since Dec 2010 1065 Points | The Gloria Estefan's don't look like CDR's to me one says CD2 which I've never seen on a CDR before I've been looking for more information on them. This is one I added which I would class as a CDR which is a very basic disc: Steve Harley CDR |
| 23rd Sep 2013, 7:02 PM | #10 REPORT | |
| musicmasters Completely ready when you are Shaky Member since Dec 2011 1524 Points | I've just looked at the pictures, it is very difficult to tell if they are CDRs or not to me they look like printable CDRs - i.e. the image is printed directly onto a plain white labelled cdr using an inkjet printer - I have made cdrs which look just as good as this, so it's difficult to tell unless we get to see the playing surface, then it would be immediately obvious |
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