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PhilMH SUBS 11th Jun 2015
| | Bill, you might as well say that Motown should be listed as something different for each of its ownerships (1960-1988 by Berry Gordy, 1988-1991 by MCA, 1991-1998 by PolyGram, and Universal since then). It's still the Motown label, just as this is still the Sun label. |
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Bill Fick-45worlds 10th Jun 2015
| | As you've probably gathered, I'm a huge Sun fan/collector. At last count, my original US Sun collection is as follows:
Sun 45s: 137
Flip 45s: 1
Phillips Int'l 45s: 49
Sun EPs: 6
Sun PS: all 3
Sun 45 FS: 2
Unused Sun 45 labels: 3
Unused Phillips Int'l 45 labels: 4
Sun 78s: 18
Flip 78s: 1
Phillips Int'l 78s: 1
Sun LPs: 7 |
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Boursin-45worlds 10th Jun 2015
| | But the Sam Phillips-owned Sun never released any records in the UK. It only licensed its material to local labels, primarily London and later Ember. |
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Bill Fick-45worlds 10th Jun 2015
| | Well, it should be listed as something to differentiate it from the Sam Phillips-owned Sun era, so as not to confuse novice collectors, if for no other reason...
The US pressing of this states "Sun International Corporation - A Division of the Shelby Singleton Corp. - Nashville, Tenn. U.S.A." on both the back cover & label perimeter print. Since that's how & where this LP originated, that's how it should be listed.
A collector not "in the know" might think that this LP is obstensively a re-issue of Justis' "Cloud 9" LP on Phillips Int'l, when it really isn't, due to the fact that many of the original master tapes were not used...
Funny, while pouring over the fine print on this LP cover, I just noticed that there's a small image of Bill Justis poking out of the top of the girls' hair. In the 30+ years I've had this LP, I've never noticed that before (of course, I was never looking at her HAIR before...Ha!!).
When Singleton bought Sun, not only did he release LPs, he also leased material to budget labels in the US (Pickwick, Share, etc...), just to confuse matters even more...
SIDE NOTE: There is a version of "College Man" with lyrics that exists, same backing track as the master recording, but with a lead vocal provided by Billy Lee Riley, originally left unissued until the CD re-issue era. Killer! I'm sure it's still available on a Charly or Bear Family CD... |
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PhilMH SUBS 10th Jun 2015
| | Hi Bill, why should this be listed as Sun International? That name (admittedly the then-new corporate name) doesn't appear anywhere on the cover or labels, so just Sun is correct. It's still the same label brand, regardless of the changed ownership. |
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Bill Fick-45worlds 10th Jun 2015
| | Quite a common occurrence for Sun International LPs (which is what this should be listed under, not Sun proper).
In 1969, when Shelby Singleton bought the label from Sam Phillips, he immediately started releasing LPs of classic Sun material. In fact, that first year alone Shelby issued more LPs than the original Sun Records had ever issued through it's entire existence. Sam Phillips himself only issued 12 LPs (on both Sun & Phillips Int'l) between 1957 & 1965, & 7 of them were by Johnny Cash.
In his hurry to get LPs out, many mistakes were made. Wrong tapes, alternate takes and the like were inadvertently used (which actually was a boon for the rabid Sun fan). |
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George Slv 18th Jan 2014
| | College Man is not the original single master. It omits at the start the vocal group yelling "We hate college, ha ha ha".
By the way I have it in Canada. |
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George Slv 18th Jan 2014
| | I'm noticing that this LP did not use the original masters. It used unmastered studio takes. I'm judging by Raunchy.
I have a Stax VA LP with the original master. The master is obviously processed for maximal sound. The reissue is lame. I'm afraid the current digital reissues sound lame too.
This is a damn problem considering the importance of such recordings.
ALWAYS USE THE ORIGINAL MASTERS WHEN REISSUING. And don't use extra "noise reduction" for the tape.
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lorangrecords-45worlds SUBS 5th Jan 2014
| | Did the change Louis. |
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