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Artist:King Oliver
Title:The Great 1923 Gennetts
Label:  Herwin
Country:USA
Catalogue:H-106
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Format:LP
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Community: 2 Own
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TrackArtistTitleComposerRating
A1King OliverJust GoneRate
A2King OliverCanal Street BluesRate
A3King OliverMandy Lee BluesRate
A4King OliverI'm Going Away To Wear You Off My MindRate
A5King OliverChimes BluesRate
A6King OliverWeather Bird RagRate
A7King OliverDipper Mouth BluesRate
B1King OliverFroggie MooreRate
B2King OliverSnake RagRate
B3King OliverAlligator HopRate
B4King OliverZulus BallRate
B5King OliverWorking Man BluesRate
B6King OliverKrooked BluesRate


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Number: 515489  THUMBNAIL
Uploaded By: Tony P
Description: front cover


Number: 515490 
Uploaded By: Tony P
Description: back cover


Number: 515491 
Uploaded By: Tony P
Description: side 1


Number: 515492 
Uploaded By: Tony P
Description: side 2


Number: 1150796 
Uploaded By: Magic Marmalade
Description: King Oliver - The great 1923 Gennetts - Back Cover Detail - Side 1 Track Listing And 78rpm Cat Numbers


Number: 1150797 
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Description: King Oliver - The great 1923 Gennetts - Back Cover Detail - Side 2 Track Listing And 78rpm Cat Numbers


Number: 1150798 
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Description: King Oliver - The great 1923 Gennetts - Back Cover Detail - Liner Notes - Paragraphs - Part 1


Number: 1150799 
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Description: King Oliver - The great 1923 Gennetts - Back Cover Detail - Liner Notes - Paragraphs - Part 2


Number: 1150800 
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Description: King Oliver - The great 1923 Gennetts - Back Cover Detail - Liner Notes - Paragraphs - Part 3


Number: 1150801 
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Description: King Oliver - The great 1923 Gennetts - Back Cover Detail - Liner Notes - Paragraphs - Part 4


Number: 1150802 
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Description: King Oliver - The great 1923 Gennetts - Back Cover Detail - Liner Notes - Paragraphs - Part 5


Number: 1150803 
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Description: King Oliver - The great 1923 Gennetts - Back Cover Detail - Liner Notes - Photo And Credits


Comments and Reviews
 
getalife
4th Nov 2016
 Two out of three not bad, replace football with a drink and you're there.
 

 
Magic Marmalade
4th Nov 2016
 Jazz is nice for a Saturday with papers and footie results :)
 

 
getalife
3rd Nov 2016
 I got a acetate of Dutch Dixieland Band in mid 60s, as a teenager had no interested in it, these days in the right mood I can enjoy it.
 

 
Magic Marmalade
3rd Nov 2016
 Jazz is difficult in general really... not only do people either love it or loathe it as a music, many either love or loathe particular types of jazz...

...For me, the rule of thumb is that the older it is, the better it is likely to be. But I can listen to anything up probably the mid to late sixties, whereafter it all goes a bit wobbly.

(I have a Chick Corea album I got this year that I find absolutely atrocious)
 

 
LouisSidney
3rd Nov 2016
 I don't dig this kind of jass,but the video is excellent, aurally and visually.
 

 
Magic Marmalade
3rd Nov 2016
 Ah yes, almost forgot about that! :)

Found this on Youtube, which sounds like a good representation of what's on this album, both in terms of the sound quality and the kind of music here:

 

 
LouisSidney
3rd Nov 2016
 OK, OK, but what about the music, Magic?
 

 
Magic Marmalade
2nd Nov 2016
 Review
Just look at that label, and tell me that wasn't just a sneaky way of calling it: "Heroin"!

(The "w" is written so that it can clearly be seen as an "O")

But this aside..

I got this a t a boot-fair in the summer, as it seemed intriguing, and only last week got it out to listen to and record.

I'm sure that plenty of 78s fans, and Jazz fans will know all about Gennett label discs, and in particular King Oliver on Gennett; How rare these things are, and the associated values of the originals would put them well beyond the reach of ordinary collectors like me, so this disc is a great, and cheap solution.

The back cover detail scans I've uploaded of the liner notes will explain better than I can about the original discs, and how they eventually came to be issued on this album So I'll confine myself to this particular issue:

It was a bit disconcerting at first, having spent a good while cleaning what looked like a very good condition disc, to hear a crackle and pop when I placed the needle on the disc and commenced the recording.... but after a couple of times stopping my recording, and re-cleaning, apparently to no avail, I decided just to let it go as was... and only realising, in the run between tracks, when the crackle dropped away to silence, that the crackle and pop is actually on the recording itself- as opposed to being my copy!

Which reveals that these are straight lifts from the original 78s - warts and all.

(These being recordings made before the age of magnetic tape masters, and presumably no other surviving source material)

But once I realised this, I got into the feel of it, and actually am quite pleased it's there, as this preserves the authenticity of the experience of listening to the original discs - and with the rather antiquated recording technique used (as mentioned in the notes - was even considered so at the time they were made), it all adds up to a great authentic gramophone experience.

With the exceptions of the two sides of Zulus Ball on here, there is nothing about the sound of the actual instrumentation itself that is lacking (over and above the crackle of those original discs)... for there is a little fuzzing at times on the higher frequencies from this source disc, which obviously was in much worse condition than the others.

The only word on the sleeve which might give some pause is "Stereo", which of course is anachronistic for recordings made a good 35 years before the invention of stereo, so naturally, this is an "engineered stereo effect" most likely done for this issue...
....And I share those concerns, having heard some of the atrocious "stereo processed" crap from the seventies, which sound like either electronically induced echo swamped sci-fi nightmares, or bizarrely manage to make two independent mono channels from left and right, which addles the brain, and gives you a headache... but here it is expertly - and perhaps the greatest compliment I can offer it - unobtrusively done.

It's largely mono still, but with just the occasional outcropping of stereo on left or right... an occasional "lean" in either direction, but without going off the reservation, and departing from the unity of the sound. And it doesn't interfere with the music, so you mostly don't notice it's stereo-ness at all.

(big bonus - if only they'd adopted the same attitude with Elvis' Golden Records that I have!)

And the low fidelity of the original recordings, as mentioned in the notes, may actually have served to stand it in good stead with regard to the results, as a cleaner original recording may have demanded more work to accomplish this, and even exposed this technique's shortcomings.

So all in all, well worth getting if you want King Oliver's brilliant jazz without having to spend thousands upon thousands, but also, maybe you have, but just want to keep those discs preserved, and not risk damaging them, this will suit just as well.

(I'm sure these may have been re-issued since, and maybe re-mastered - whatever that means for master-less recordings like these - but this won't disappoint you if you find it)

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Magic Marmalade
13th Sep 2016
 Have added full set of back cover detail scans, as the liner noes contain lots of useful info which could be of interest to Gennett 78 collectors.

(I noticed there are a few King Oliver shaped holes in the Gennett discography on 78 world:)
 


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