78 RPM - Lighthouse All Stars - Big Boy (Part 1) / Big Boy (Concl.) - London - USA

78 RPM Record

Artist:	Lighthouse All Stars
Label:	London
Country:	USA
Catalogue:	1345
Date:	1953
Format:	10"
Collection:	I Own It I Want It
Community:	1 Owns
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Track	Artist	Title	Composer	Rating
A	Lighthouse All Stars	Big Boy (Part 1)	Giuffre, Rogers	Rate
B	Lighthouse All Stars	Big Boy (Concl.)	Giuffre, Rogers	Rate

Notes

Jimmy Giuffre, ten. sax; Shorty Rogers, tpt; Milt Bernhard, tmb; Frank Patchen, piano; Shelly Manne, drums; Howard Rumsey, bass.
There is a mention: Not for sale.

Images

Number: 583798

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Uploaded By: Joce100020
Edited By: fixbutte
Description: Big Boy 1

Number: 583799

Uploaded By: Joce100020
Edited By: fixbutte
Description: Big Boy 2

Number: 618160

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Edited By: fixbutte
Description: B Side Label - reconstructed

Comments and Reviews


BigBadBluesMan 28th May 2015



fixbutte 12th Dec 2014		Actually, when I brighten and contrast the images here, I can see parts of the London logo shine through, especially the curves of the both N's, above that the NOT FOR SALE inscription in capital letters, as already detected by Tkonst. For your pleasure, I have reconstructed the presumable design of the B-Side label. I have also changed label and country to London [USA].



Jock_Girl ● 12th Dec 2014		It is actually more likely that Skylark couldn't meet demand and leased it out to London. The original Skylark release was in December 1952. This is from 1953.



PhilMH 12th Dec 2014		Did Decca make any London records exclusively for Canada? I tend to think that would be the case with this one, because surely Decca wouldn't have been contractually allowed to export it to the USA, unless they had actually purchased the master from Skylark for some reason.



Jock_Girl ● 11th Dec 2014		I did a small bit of research and discovered that this image is lifted from a listing at kijiji by a person in Montreal in Quebec here in Canada. I think there can be no doubt that it is 'North American' and should be listed with the USA London 78s http://www.kijiji.ca/v-view-image.html?adId=1029396062&image=0&enableSearchNavigationFlag=true



tkonst 11th Dec 2014		I read "Not for sale" in label A Side... dont know its help for question.



Jock_Girl ● 11th Dec 2014		The label on this is definitely London. I would be inclined to call it USA as we have done with all 'Made in England' London releases. The state of the release (Made in England etc) is not untypical of London releases of its time



PhilMH 11th Dec 2014		Looking further in Billboard and in 45 cat suggests that Skylark was still active to at least November 1954, so that throws my last theory out! This still does look like a North American London issue, though, so maybe it was just for Canada. Possibly Central or South American countries too, as Decca also had to use the London name there, but I haven't as yet seen any evidence that Decca exported to those countries.



PhilMH 11th Dec 2014		Backtracking a little, this does seem to fit numerically into the US and Canadian London sequence of the period - see Frank Chacksfield's "Ebb Tide" from August 1953 for the label style on the Made In England stock copy. That still leaves the complication of why a US recording is being exported back to the US. Could London/Decca have purchased the Skylark label, reissuing its recordings on London for all markets?



PhilMH 11th Dec 2014		Well, it certainly looks like a Decca pressing, and Paul Pelletier's London listing showed that there was a London 78 of this title issued in May 1953, catalogue number L 1168, source of recording given as Skylark. That number series didn't go any higher than 1232 in January 1954. If this is a Contemporary recording, then it would have been issued on Vogue (who Decca were pressing for, before Decca brought Vogue Records Limited outright in 1956), but this number doesn't fit into the Vogue 78's listing, which have numbers in the 2000's. Possibly the Felsted label (if it started that early?) or even an export pressing for some unknown territory? The lack of publisher informaton is very typical of UK Decca's London pressings for North America, but I doubt that a US recording would be exported back there! Suffice it to say, I'm drawing a blank too!



slholzer 11th Dec 2014		Drawing a blank here, and I shouldn't be. This is a British re-issue of an American 78. Wikipedia says it was the Lighthouse All Stars first recording, so it is fairly significant. It ought to be in the Contemporary records discography, but it's not. Lots of others, but not this one. Maybe it first came out on Skylark. Either way, it's not getting us closer to the name of the label behind the tape. The label is clearly labeled not for sale, so I'm thinking it's a promo/disc jockey copy. The white background will therefore not be the label's usual color.

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Linked Releases

USA - Skylark - 1952

UK - London - 1953

New Zealand - London - 1956