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Artist: California Ramblers Label:   Columbia Country: USA Catalogue: 223-D Date: Dec 1924 Format: 10" Collection:   I Own It     I Want It  Community:  1 Owns Price Guide: Valuation Page » Search eBay #AD  » Search Amazon #AD This site contains affiliate links for which we may be compensated.

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Track	Artist	Title	Composer	Rating
A	California Ramblers	Eliza	Ted Fiorito, Gus Kahn	Rate
B	California Ramblers	I Want To See My Tennessee	Milton Ager, Jack Yellen	Rate

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Fox Trot

Side A: mx. 140077-2
Side B: mx. 140078-3
Recorded in New York, NY on October 2, 1924

Side A runout: 140077 2-B-13
Side B runout: 140078 3-C-12

The Talking Machine World, December 15, 1924, page 205: Advance Record Bulletins for January 1925 (i.e., released late December 1924).

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cyeaman SUBS 11th Jun 2023		I thought the Oakland plant opened in November 1926, by which time the Flag label had been replaced. That's why I wonder where all these domestic "ringless" Columbias originated.
xiphophilos 10th Jun 2023		Based on Han's caveat and my own misgivings looking at the evidence, I think it's safest to assume that Flag labels that are accompanied by a take number, mother letter, _and stamper number_, like this one, are most likely U.S. products after all. When you consider that ca. 1000 records could be pressed from each stamper, stamper numbers like 12 and 13, made from the 2nd and 3rd mother (B and C), seem too high to be needed in Canada. At the time, Columbia had pressing plants not just in Bridgeport, NJ, but also in Oakland, CA.
cyeaman SUBS 10th Jun 2023		It might be more correct to conclude that all Columbia Canadian pressings made prior to 1928 lack a center ring, but not all Columbias that lack a center ring are Canadian pressings. That's what I was afraid of. I wonder where else ringless Columbia pressings could have been made?
han enderman 10th Jun 2023		About Columbia center rings - I knew the article, and think its conclusions are not correct. Ringless flag labels are too common for all to be Canadian pressings. Stampers without number (and only a letter) are very rare; I remember an occasional West Coast pressing (with G or c). I just uploaded a ringless pressing of 113-D sold in Kansas City, stamper A43. So be careful in changing the country.
cyeaman SUBS 9th Jun 2023		Thank you @xiphophilos. I see that there are many "ringless" Columbias in the Discogs database.
xiphophilos 9th Jun 2023		I've linked the TMW issue and the CAPS/APN 1993 article about the differences between Canadian and U.S. American Columbia releases by Colin Bray and Jack Litchfield. I also added the runouts of your copy from your Discogs entry.

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