78 RPM - Mr. Robert Radford - Glorious Devon - His Master's Voice - UK

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Artist:	Mr. Robert Radford
Label:	His Master's Voice
Country:	UK
Catalogue:	3-2894
Date:	Oct 1907
Format:	10"
Collection:	I Own It I Want It
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Track	Artist	Title	Composer	Rating
A	Mr. Robert Radford	Glorious Devon	German	Rate

Notes

Single-side release.
B side: etched "GRAMOPHONE TRADE MARK"

Originally released with matrix 6354e, recorded in 1907.

Re-recording with new matrix number HO1470ab, recorded in 1915.
Runout: A = HO1470ab and 3-2894 and L.

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xiphophilos 30th Jan 2020		@scrough: "Not too sure what you are asking here." Because of the missing X in the catalog number, I wasn't sure if this label can represent the 1915 re-recording of the same cat. nr. or if it actually would have to be the earlier 1907 recording with an erroneously reported matrix number. Now it's clear. HMV didn't actually add the X to the catalog number even when they re-recorded the song, but issued the new recording under the same catalog number. So it makes sense to list this, according to our practice here, as first released in 1907 even though the first copy we can display so far is a 1915 rerecording.



scrough 29th Jan 2020		Eventually! All discs on one page. Set 'Performer' to Radford and 'Title' to Devon and click the search button {here}. Original release dates from pages 60 and 64 of {this book}.



scrough 29th Jan 2020		Quote 'So can Greg's label represent a 1915 record'. Not too sure what you are asking here. Greg's record is a 1915~ issued re-recording of 3-2894 (first issued Oct 1907), which I thought I'd made clear in the final sentence of my first response. CHARM is now up again but doesn't have an entry for the original recording of 3-2894, but confirms the HMV documented catalogue number of 3-2894X for Greg's disc. Adding a letter (or more) suffix to the catalogue number was common GramCo practice in the 'Berliner' days (X was first re-recording) but I've never seen any info on how long this practice might have lasted in-house, and I've never seen any such suffix on a post-Berliner GramCo disc label.



xiphophilos 28th Jan 2020		So can Greg's label represent a 1915 record, as suggested by the matrix number he reports (HO-1470)? Howard Friedman wrote that His Master's Voice was introduced as label name in August 1910.(http://www.musicweb-international.com/Friedman/page13.htm)



scrough 28th Jan 2020		And 3-2894 was later released on HMV as one side of E-75 in 1920. The same coupling was later released as E420 in1926 with Bb matrix prefixes (probably electrical recordings), so obviously popular songs.



scrough 28th Jan 2020		I could probably give a better answer, but the CHARM site is down, so I've had to use book sources. Radford's original 'Glorious Devon' recordings are: 3-2497 issued Dec. 1906 (Ashley's disc) and 3-2894 issued October 1907. The two close issues suggest that the recordings were very different in character. GramCo pressing were made in Germany until the Hayes UK Head Office was ready (building started in 1907). HO matrix prefix recordings started experimentally in October 1908, and HO-1470 would have made in 1915, and is therefore a re-recording of the original 3-2894.



xiphophilos 28th Jan 2020		Since the image of the older Gramophone Concert record needed to be cropped and rotated anyway, I have myself created an entry for Ashley's record and have linked it as a Linked Release to this entry. I wonder about the release date here. According to the Radford discography at http://www.musicweb-international.com/hooey/radford-discog.htm, matrix 6354e was recorded in 1907 and released as 3-2894. That site lists matrix HO1470ab, which is the matrix number listed here, as recorded on 6 May 1915 and released on 3-2894X E75. Something is wrong here, most likely. Can someone with more expertise in early British releases advise?



Redpunk ● 27th Jan 2020		Ashley could you make a separate entry as it is on Gramophone Concert label which has it's own listing.



Ashley Holman 27th Jan 2020		I have an earlier copy of this on The Gramophone Concert label number GC 3-2497 and comes from around 1904/5. The later one from 1907 is a rerecording. My copy features an orchestra or brass whatever was loudest to get a sound. Single sided and pressed in Hanover

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