78 RPM - Jan Kubelik - Pierrot's Serenade - Victor - USA

78 RPM Record

Artist:	Jan Kubelik
Label:	Victor
Country:	USA
Catalogue:	74256
Date:	28 Nov 1911
Format:	12"
Collection:	I Own It I Want It
Community:	1 Owns
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Track	Artist	Title	Composer	Rating
A	Jan Kubelik	Pierrot's Serenade	Alberto Randegger, Jr.	Rate

Notes

Violin Solo
piano accompaniment

Matrix 5123f, recorded London, England, July 3, 1911.

Runout: ᴷ74256♔ 5123f

Original release on Victor Patents Label with three lines of patent information, ending in "Emile Berliner Victor Talking Machine Co."

Announced for November 28 in The Talking Machine World, November 15, 1911, page 54 (article in lower left corner).

Comments and Reviews


Mike Gann 29th Jan 2023		It's not my personal "primary source". I don't think that the gentleman went to the company and spent all of the time and trouble to compile this data to have his work referred to as a "secondary source". But if your release date makes you happy, then I'm happy right along with you.



xiphophilos 29th Jan 2023		With all due respect, Bolig's book may be your personal "primary source," i.e., reference work, but it can never be a primary source, as least not in the way professional researchers would define a primary source as opposed to a secondary source. Primary sources are the original documents from 1911, like Victor's blue history cards or contemporary newspaper articles (e.g., in a trade magazine like The Talking Machine World). Secondary sources are later works that compile, analyze, and interpret the information found in primary sources. That's exactly what John Bolig's discographies are. Yes, they are excellent, and he has won much-deserved awards for them, but they are not necessarily the last word on everything. As a professional researcher, Bolig himself would be the first to concede that a primary source offering new information deserves preference and can be used to correct the info he presents in his book. For this record DAHR (another secondary source) used John Bolig's files, Alan Kelly's files, and the Rigler-Deutsch Index; the last two don't contain release dates, and Bolig's original files don't seem to have contained such a date either. His published discography does, but DAHR doesn't seem to have worked in that information yet.



Mike Gann 29th Jan 2023		The reason why I dispute Bolig's usage of TMW is this. I purchased this book because I was tired of sifting through five years of TMW editions to find a release date. I've also found that several of these records were never reported to TMW. If you take a look at the Victrola records that I submitted for 1903, they have full release dates from the original blue history cards. DAHR doesn't seem to bother with release dates for most Red Seal records. So, the Bolig book is the primary source.



xiphophilos 29th Jan 2023		The release of this record was announced not _on_, but _for_ November 28. The announcement came before Nov. 15, the issue date of TMW. Bolig's reference works are excellent, but they are still a secondary source. When someone presents you with a usually reliable primary source like TMW that contradicts your secondary source, the primary source should always have preference. Bolig probably didn't see this date because it was not listed under the Advance Record Bulletin for December 1911, but hidden in a tiny note in TMW that I myself only found because the text is now searchable on archive.org.



Mike Gann 29th Jan 2023		The data in the Bolig Discography is pulled from the original blue file cards. It a file card is lost for a record, it will state that. It may have been announced on November 28, but it was released after the first of December.



xiphophilos 29th Jan 2023		Was there anything wrong then with my date of November 28, 1911? That's the release date announced by Victor itself in The Talking Machine World article that I linked to. The TMW is what Bolig himself tends to use, unless he has access to the Victor blue history cards.



Mike Gann 29th Jan 2023		@ xiphophilos. I have John Bolig's Victor Red Seal Discography for the single-sided records sitting here on my desk so you may want to let me date these.