78 RPM - Sergei Rachmaninoff And The Philadelphia Symphony Orchestra - Concerto No.2 In C Minor, Op. 18 (No. 1/10) - His Master's Voice - UK

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Artist:	Sergei Rachmaninoff And The Philadelphia Symphony Orchestra
Label:	His Master's Voice
Country:	UK
Catalogue:	D.B.7427
Date:	1933
Format:	12"
Title:	Concerto No.2 In C Minor, Op. 18 (No. 1/10)
Collection:	I Own It I Want It
Community:	1 Owns
Price Guide:	Valuation Page
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Track	Artist	Title	Composer	Rating
A	Sergei Rachmaninoff And The Philadelphia Symphony Orchestra	1st Movement - Allegro Moderato (1st Record)	Rachmaninoff	Rate
B	Sergei Rachmaninoff And The Philadelphia Symphony Orchestra	3rd Movement - Allegro Scherzando (3rd Record)	Rachmaninoff	Rate

Notes

Auto-coupled version

Conducted by Leopold Stokowski.

Images

Number: 2328083

THUMBNAIL
Uploaded By: Redpunk
Description: Side A

Number: 2328085

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Description: Side B

Number: 2821648

Uploaded By: Redpunk
Description: Side A Variant

Comments and Reviews


Scratchy45 11th Jun 2023		Apols if lack of images on 1336/7 confused things. Will be added in due course. So far as I know I added title descriptions exactly as per the labels but will check. They use the term "record" for each new side of a movement, resetting to 1 as each new movement starts. The discs themselves are labelled in sequence as you would expect.



JLC135 9th Jun 2023		I agree. Date changed to 1933.



xiphophilos 9th Jun 2023		Sorry about that, Redpunk.;-) How about this: Since you, scrough, know exactly when the various auto-coupled set first appear in HMV catalogues and since the different sets each have their own set of catalog numbers, why don't we date them accordingly. DB 7008-7012 (flip coupled set): released 1932. DB 7427-7431 (drop-coupled set): released 1933. It makes no sense to list these catalog numbers all as released in 1929.



Redpunk 8th Jun 2023		You two have lost me!!!



scrough 8th Jun 2023		And to be a little more precise on issue date, the HMV 1933 catalogue (to end of Dec 1932) lists the flip-coupled set, the HMV 1934 catalogue (to end of Dec 1933) lists the drop-coupled set. But quite how we can enter this, apart from a comment like this, needs a lot of thought :(



xiphophilos 8th Jun 2023		Thanks! I think what really confused me is the way the two records without images (D.B.1336 and 1337) had been entered. Images would have made things clearer, or even better, if we combined all the entries that belong to the same album. I don't know if there are other ways to describe flip-coupled and drop-coupled sets; I think this terminology is very clear, and if you were the first to come up with it, congrats!



scrough 7th Jun 2023		This was released as part of Album No 84. To clarify the two auto-coupled sets - the flip coupled set was DB 7008-7012, and the drop coupled set was DB 7427-7431.



scrough 7th Jun 2023		I probably haven't explained very well, but the DB 1333-7 set would be played in numerical order, A side then B side, and the titles given have confused you - DB 1336 is the 4th part of the 2nd movement and then the 1st part of the 3rd movement, DB 1337 is the 2nd and 3rd part of the 3rd movement. The term flip-coupled was my own invention, so there may be a more widely used term. To be auto-coupled in any form, the cat number would be above 7000 as in this entry,



xiphophilos 7th Jun 2023		Interestingly, the versions of D.B.1333, D.B.1334, and D.B.1335 that we currently have in the database are not auto-coupled, whereas D.B.1336 and D.B.1337 form a flip-coupled pair of records.



xiphophilos 7th Jun 2023		Thanks! Even learned a few new words: 'flip-coupled' sets vs. 'drop-coupled' sets. This record here is from a drop-coupled set. The tax code DTP was in force December 30, 1950 - April 15, 1953, so this would actually be more likely a 1951 than a 1929 release. The NT sticker was applied to unsold stock in 1953 because the purchase tax code N/NT was in force April 16, 1953 - October 27, 1955. Date info from http://www.78rpm.net.nz/mechcopy/mech7.htm



scrough 7th Jun 2023		@Xiph - Please see this post on auto-couplings for details of dates.



Redpunk 7th Jun 2023		Looking at the others of this set I've managed to find over the years the only tax stamp on the label is DTP so I presume that would date these to around 1942 unless someone adds earlier ones.



xiphophilos 7th Jun 2023		Would this auto-coupled version have been available as early as November 1929? Or is that release date only true for D.B.1333 - D.B.1337? I see that someone left a note on two of these auto-coupled releases: "Original standard coupling released Nov. 1929 before auto-coupling became available, so dated nominally as 1932."



Redpunk 6th Dec 2021		Side A NT label scan.

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