78 RPM - Willy Derby - Twee harten in een driekwartsmaat / Voorby geluk (Song of songs) - Tri-Ergon - Netherlands

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Artist:	Willy Derby
Label:	Tri-Ergon
Country:	Netherlands
Catalogue:	TE 6026
Date:	1930
Format:	10"
Collection:	I Own It I Want It
Community:	1 Owns
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Track	Artist	Title	Composer	Rating
A	Willy Derby	Twee harten in een driekwartsmaat	Rob. Stolz, Ferry	Rate
B	Willy Derby	Voorby geluk (Song of songs)	Moya, Ferry	Rate

Notes

A side: Dutch version of "Zwei Herzen im Dreivierteltakt"

A mx: 03823; B mx: 03825.

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slholzer 22nd Feb 2017		German pressing plants seemed to have a dominant presence in the pre-WW I record industry. The fact that they pressed the records did not change the fact that the records they pressed were often recorded elsewhere for distribution predominantly to non-German audiences. In those cases, it still seems more appropriate to assign those records to the country where the originating company was located rather than Germany. Tri-Ergon may not be such a case, however. When it was based in Germany, recorded its products in Germany, and sold them from Germany, then I would favor the export approach. This would especially be the case if they did not make any distinction in their numbering system between mainly German and mainly export items. Where Tri-Ergon actually had foreign divisions (on the HMV model, for instance) that generated their own product for sale in their own parts of the world, with their own number series, then it would seem the better arrangement to assign them to the area they operated in and not lump them all together. I suppose the key issue is which arrangement will best allow a researcher to find and understand the context of the record or records that he has or is interested in. In the first case above, fragmentation works to obscure the context. In the second case, it is the overly wide focus that obscures it.



xiphophilos 19th Feb 2017		peterh, if you have the exact recording place and dates from the Weergiver article or elsewhere, let me know and I'll add them to the Notes. I've just grouped all our Tri-Ergon releases (France, Finland, Netherlands, and Germany) together so that you can see the other countries when you click on the label name. I guess it could be justified combining all the foreign issues, with the exception of the French ones that are "Made in France", under Germany and label them as Export. If they hadn't been imported from abroad, they probably wouldn't have needed a copyright stamp. The Lotz Verlag also seems to group them together: "After Tri-Ergon operations terminated in Germany, a French 6500 series as continued for a brief period of time. All other foreign recordings are incorporated in the main 5000-6299 series." See their Tri-Ergon discography here. What do others think?



peterh 19th Feb 2017		In general the country where the record was manufactured isn't always the country that should be chosen I think, some record companies used pressing plants from other countries. In this case export issue from Germany would be fine with me (this one was also recorded in Berlin). Tri-Ergon had at least a Dutch marketing division, and more than 50 Dutch releases. (Source: a Tri-Ergon article in a 2002 issue of De Weergever.)



JLC135 19th Feb 2017		I feel that there should be a Country section added to the 'Guide for Adding Records' guide, as users seem to get confused by this, even though the first thing you read when adding a record is "First choose the country the 78 is from". The country a record is from should be listed as the country listed on the label, whether it was exported or not. The Tri-Ergon discs listed as being from Netherlands, and the one listed from Finland, should all be re-listed as from Germany, with their Format changed to Export, and the size of the disc and destination for exportation listed in the Notes section.



keebrev 19th Feb 2017		It is indeed German made for the Dutch market. The Dutch alfabet has a letter ( the ij) which is unique in the world and only exists in The Netherlands and Flandria. Other countries, like Germany uses the y instead of ij. The capital letter is the IJ like in the river IJssel. Lot of people spell it wrong (also Dutch!) as Ijssel. The y or Y is a foreign letter for us. The word "voorby" is spelled wrong, it should be "voorbij". Louis Davids song ......Zei zy is corrected: Zei zij (She said). The pronouncing is the same. So the country should be changed in to "Germany" (Germanij :) and the type of record "Export"' . Also the same for the other Tri-Ergon records. Willy Derby was a Dutch singer (1886 - 1944)



peterh 19th Feb 2017		I've changed the country to The Netherlands so it's with the other Dutch Tri-Ergons we already have. It's certainly made for the Dutch market. But if these should all be listed as export issues then you can change that of course.



xiphophilos 19th Feb 2017		The record says "Made in Germany" and "Bestell-Nr." (order number), and the copyright stamp for Pays Bas (Netherlands) contains the German word "grün" ("Tri grün 25cm). The rest is Dutch, though, as you said. I wonder if Tri-Ergon produced this Will Derby record for export to the Netherlands.



slholzer 18th Feb 2017		I would normally expect a Tri-Ergon disc to be German. The text elements on this disc are not in German, however. My first guess is that they are in Dutch. If not Dutch. then possibly Danish or one of the other Scandinavian languages.

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