Distributors:
Germany and Benelux: ZYX Music -- UK: Ace Records Ltd. -- France: Warner Music France
Spain: Nuevos Medios, S.A. -- Italy: Warner Fonit -- Scandinavia: Amigo -- Australia: Festival
Portugal: Dargil.
Images
Number:313263 THUMBNAIL Uploaded By:PhilMH Description: Front of digipack
Number:313264 Uploaded By:PhilMH Description: Back of digipack
Number:313265 Uploaded By:PhilMH Description: Inside front
Tags added for studio (Malaco), copyright owner (Fantasy) and distributors as shown on package, with Festival made "Festival (Australia/New Zealand)" as there were unrelated Festival companies in a couple of other countries.
Australian release date for this appears to have been between February and April 2001 - it doesn't appear in any PLATTERLOG weekly release sheet during that quarter, but does appear in the albums supplement at the end of April. Amazon Germany only has the 1990 release date, which actually applies to the previous edition. Anyway, definitely not 2002 (that's when I bought it).
OK, I can live with "International", using "World" for only 11 countries just goes against the grain a bit! But taking the thought a bit further, could we use "International" when a release is known to be issued in only a couple of countries (e.g. Australia and New Zealand, where PolyGram pressed in NZ for both countries; or US & Canada, and those occasionally troublesome London issues made in England), or can people live with two identical issues? Another thing to consider if we go down this road is that we might have to leave the release date field blank, and enter the different release dates for each country in the notes; I doubt that Festival released this in Australia on the same day that ZYX did in Germany, and I can also think of one recent CD made in Australia for Australasian release where the NZ release was several weeks after the Oz one.
The more I think about it, the more I see that "international" is the way to go. For one thing, it is correct these days. CDs are issued that way, so there's no real reason to try and shoe-horn CDs into individual countries. The world has changed, and those of us weaned on vinyl just have to unlearn what we think we know about the various national discographies. Often, it's not accurate to talk about the German edition, the French edition, the Australian edition and so on now that a single version is sold internationally.
Could we not forget trying to identify which country,and have an international all for one category as TopPopper suggested.It would encourage more people (especially those about to join,or new members) by not having to worry about tying a cd down to a specific country.If one definitely knows the origin,it could then be entered(as the first line) in the notes i.e. U.S.A..Searching would then be in chronological order for all artists alone on cd world,but you could still search for example Michael Jackson U.S.A.,and it would show most results,after time,and when we have some definite indicator of country (i.e.barcode?) then the country could be added to the notes of existing entries.
I don't wish to get involved in this debate, but I do have an idea: Is it possible to change "Worldwide" to the less-universal term, "international" - and then have a sub-field of some sort so that individual countries where it was sold could be selected?
That would mean an "International" CD could be marked (eg by using a tick box) as, say "Australia" and appear in that discography. If someone then wants to add it as Germany, they could just tick the Germany box, so it would appear under Germany as well, and so on...
then re-pressings with the same label and catalogue number in each country
which mostly had changes to the artwork to include local legal and copyright information etc and often a different catalogue number as well. So this would make them a unique release assigned to a single county (or market ie Europe) as they were only sold there
In Australia at least, many of the "imported local" releases, particulary from the majors, have the same catalogue numbers as the UK & Europe, and to a lesser extent same as the USA numbers (Warner and particularly PolyGram-became-Universal tended to use different number formats in the USA).
BTW: If I remember correctly ZYX in Germany was the only licensee for the Fantasy catalogue outside of the USA (before Fantasy did a deal with Universal) and pressed the CDs. All other distributors mentioned in the artwork are hence not licensees but distributors only
Sorry, but you remember wrongly, at least in the case of Festival, who were Fantasy's Australian and New Zealand licensee from 1972 right up to 2004/2005, when Concord went to Universal worldwide (and it could even be said earlier than 1972, because Festival previously had the Fantasy catalogue via Liberty and then United Artists). I'm fairly sure that WEA/Warner in France had the license for quite a number of years too.
I don't know why listing it for each country is such a big deal
because it would clutter up the discographies. And it might be difficult to identify "real" different pressings if there are no images with the entries.
then re-pressings with the same label and catalogue number in each country
which mostly had changes to the artwork to include local legal and copyright information etc and often a different catalogue number as well. So this would make them a unique release assigned to a single county (or market ie Europe) as they were only sold there.
BTW: If I remember correctly ZYX in Germany was the only licensee for the Fantasy catalogue outside of the USA (before Fantasy did a deal with Universal) and pressed the CDs. All other companies mentioned in the artwork are hence not licensees but distributors only.
Honestly, I don't know why listing it for each country is such a big deal, as you would have had to do that if each country pressed their own copies anyway. As an example, the original 1987 releases of the Beatles' CD's were in effect worldwide releases accomplished by EMI sending UK pressings everywhere in the world, Australia included, so yes, that could have been listed as a World release, but then when each country's CD factories became operational, there were then re-pressings with the same label and catalogue number in each country, so we could very well then end up with an entry for each country's pressing, plus a World entry that is now no longer needed!
Rather than get rid of the country field completely, I suggest either make it an optional field, or if it's technically possible to do so, have it so that you can choose one of the listed countries, or type in your own combination, e.g. "Europe and Australia". As it stands at the moment, this is a legitimate Australian release (and German, French, Italian, and or the others) as far as I'm concerned, because it was made available by Fantasy's Australian licensee in the same manner as any of their other releases.
OK Phil. I think we should have this discussion on the modpages. I strongly disagree on this point and I'm getting more and more convinced that we should get rid of the whole country thing.
I think it's about products and if it's the same it should only be listed once.
I don't think it shouldn't be entered 7 times. The rear cover indicates that it was distributed throughout Europe and Australia. That should be a Worldwide release. Worldwide doesn't have to mean it was released in every country in the world.
Well, if the same product is released in 11 countries by the licensees of Fantasy/Stax in each of those countries, then it can - and should - be entered as a legitimate release for each of those countries. It's that simple. And the sticker isn't the main determining factor here, it's that plus the fact that the country and company are named on the back cover. I hope you realise that it wouldn't be correct to list this as "Europe", because Australia obviously isn't part of Europe, and "World" wouldn't be right either because it is far from being a worldwide release. Multi-market releases are a fact of life, and have been for quite a while now.
I can't see why this gets listed as a Australian release. The same thing minus the sticker was distributed in the whole of Europe and in Australia. We end up this way with 7 or more entries for exactly the same product.
A multi-market release, entered as Australia because I bought it there (i.e. here), the Australian record company Festival is specifically mentioned on the back along with the European record companies who released this, plus this has the Australian Film Classification Board's "G" classification for the video content on the front sticker! Release date may be a little bit earlier than March 2002, which is when I bought this, but the Australian catalogue with the exact release date is currently inaccessible in my spare room, which needs to be tidied up!