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gnomon

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gnomon 12th Nov 2022		78 RPM Bull Moose Jackson And His Buffalo Bearcats - I Love You Yes I Do / Sneaky Pete	That floppy bow tie in Boarding House Blues is a trip. Dad used to do a lot of things just for publicity, any kind of attention. He thought it was good business. My mom was embarrassed by a lot of it and got him to tone things down when she could. One time we went bowling and my dad picked up his ball, held it over his head with both hands, wiggled his hips around then shuffled to the line to send his ball down the lane. That drove my mom nuts, and not in a good way. Mom asked him why he did that ridiculous thing and he said it draws attention. Clearly, my dad was a show-off, but that was part of his aspect of the business. Cab Calloway and Lionel Hampton picked up on some of my dad's antics. Not Duke, Basie, or Pops. They were more elegant. Mom got my dad to put more elegance into his act, but you could still count on him doing spins during a lively number. You might run across some film in your travels of Lucky using a conductor's baton that was more like a switch for a carriage horse. It was huge and, in my opinion, rather annoying. He was certainly known for conducting with a baton a lot of the time. My mom convinced him to start using a classical orchestra conductor's baton. But if you ever see his antics with the switch, you'll know what I mean. I think that floppy bow tie was a similar thing. Nobody had one like that, that I know of, and it wasn't a popular fad to my knowledge either. It is different.
gnomon 5th Nov 2022		78 RPM Bull Moose Jackson And His Buffalo Bearcats - I Love You Yes I Do / Sneaky Pete	It seems like they took my word for things and just made some superficial changes. I agree with Marv that my dad in the pic with my mom does not look like 1955. He is much younger in his face and physique and is wearing completely different attire. The same with Glover. My dad and Glover are wearing that same attire taken with my mom in other photos which places those in the same session as the others, but not the Cathy Ryan session. Popsie Randolph who is credited with taking the photos in both sessions, about 7 years apart, is feasible. He was a well-known music industry photographer in NYC and might have been on-call for noteworthy sessions at that studio, which does seem the same for both sessions. So he either took the 1948 session when he was about 28 and the 1955 session when he was about 35, which is possible, or he only took one of them and not the other. I think he probably took both since he was gaining fame in the 1940s, he had plenty of well-known subjects in the 50s as well, and Getty says so, although that part is not a compelling argument. The excellent quality looks similar for both. I think they based their changes on the pics that had the same clothing as the ones with Cathy Ryan in them and the ones that did not. That makes sense, but that does not give me much confidence in the rest of their changes.
gnomon 4th Nov 2022		78 RPM Bull Moose Jackson And His Buffalo Bearcats - I Love You Yes I Do / Sneaky Pete	It would appear that there are still some inaccuracies left in the Lucky Millinder section of the Michael Ochs Archives at Getty Images, but all of the images with Cathy Ryan in them they have changed the date to simply 1955. There are a couple of photos from that session without Cathy Ryan in them with just my dad and Glover, which they changed to specifically March 3, 1955. Marv Goldberg has cleared up the confusion about his doubting that this was the same Cathy Ryan because he had only looked at the photo of my mom, Dad, Glover, and the two unknown white guys. The description at that time said it was part of the Cathy Ryan session and Marv knew for a fact that the lady, my mom, was not his Cathy Ryan. Now he knows that the lady was my mom and that Getty was just saying that it was taken during the Cathy Ryan session. But anyone who did not know what Cathy Ryan looked like would assume that the lady in the photo was, therefore, Cathy Ryan. Marv also emphasized that the photo of my parents was definitely in the 40s, so I am accepting the Getty Images date of July 28, 1948. But based on the errors I pointed out to them, which they corrected, I have to wonder about their accuracy in general; at least, in that era.
gnomon 4th Nov 2022		78 RPM Bull Moose Jackson And His Buffalo Bearcats - I Love You Yes I Do / Sneaky Pete	Thanks fixbutte. If I knew how to do that I might. Plus, these days (months) I have been occupied with a few genetic genealogic projects that I am working on, with several sets of mysteries, that are taxing my brain at the moment. I am, however, glad that I accidentally ran across this discussion about my parents and took the time to clear up a few things, especially, when answers to such puzzles are not all that forthcoming. I try to break away and visit here though when I can. If I hear more from Marv or Getty I'll let you all know.
gnomon 4th Nov 2022		78 RPM Bull Moose Jackson And His Buffalo Bearcats - I Love You Yes I Do / Sneaky Pete	I have contacted both Getty Images and Marv Goldberg about the Cathy Ryan session date. I asked Getty Images to see if they still had any good accounting of the date of the Cathy Ryan session which is suspected to be 1955 and not 1948. Getty Images has edited the photo information to now reflect that the session was in 1955 and not 1948, but they still have left most of the other photos as before except the one with Ella Fitzgerald that previously identified it as Lucky and Ella, and some woman, who is clearly a man. They fixed that, but the photo with my parents, Glover, and the two unknown white guys remains the same, 1948. I did ask Getty Images if they knew who those two guys are, but they have not mentioned anything to me. I also asked them a few other things while I was at it that they have ignored, so it is unknown if they ever will address them. Marv, on the other hand, questioned whether it is the same Cathy Ryan. I have just sent a reply asking him why he questions it, which I don't know yet, but it does seem like the same Cathy Ryan to me as is in the photos he sent me, only in the Millinder session Getty Images she would not be considered slender as she was in the 1952 photo (also Getty Images) Marv sent me of her.