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| 14th Oct 2013, 11:24 PM | #1 REPORT | |
 | Jock_Girl A girl who looks good in vinyl Member since Dec 2012 1544 Points Moderator | Does anyone know anything about the nature of these stickrs -- as shown on HMV B.D. 5595. As you can see, we have an USA RCA Victor sourced release both with and without the sticker. So when did these get used (time frame) and under what circumstances? |
| 15th Oct 2013, 2:38 PM | #2 REPORT | |
 | Boursin Member since Jun 2013 123 Points Moderator | Probably used because the records were exported to a country (as yet unknown) where RCA and not EMI held the rights to the Nipper logo. Similarly, I've seen US-made Columbia records with "CBS" stickers or blank stickers covering the word "Columbia" - because the records were exported to a country where EMI had the rights to the label name Columbia. Edited by Boursin on 15th Oct 2013, 2:39 PM |
| 15th Oct 2013, 8:14 PM | #3 REPORT | |
| RadnaNotions Member since Dec 2012 39 Points | They were known as RCA Victor Company Limited in Canada, right? It wouldn't have been quite that name in the States, would it? Or would it? I know nothing. The point being that the formulation on the sticker is probably appropriate for whichever country it was being sold in. To all appearances the record was manufactured with the intention of being sold in the UK. So it looks like for whatever reason some stock was shipped elsewhere. I'm not sure it's simply to do with trade marks. These tracks were recorded by RCA originally - and the wording makes it look like these discs were being sold as if they were RCA stock. Maybe HMV had a surplus and they cut a deal with RCA to offload some of them elsewhere? |
| 16th Oct 2013, 12:29 AM | #4 REPORT | |
| Jock_Girl A girl who looks good in vinyl Member since Dec 2012 1544 Points Moderator | The term 'Limited' is not used in the USA. I am thinking that either RCA Victor existed as Limited corporation in the UK and licenced these tracks to HMV, the sticker somewhat making it a bit of a 'sub-label'. The other possibility is that the sticker was used for export to nations of the British Empire in which RCA did not have a presence, albeit via a similar England based Limited 'RCA Victor' corporation. Perhaps then, when stickered, the usual tax did not apply as they where for export |
| 16th Oct 2013, 1:52 PM | #5 REPORT | |
| Boursin Member since Jun 2013 123 Points Moderator | RCA did not do business in the UK until June 1968, and then as RCA Limited. Everything went through EMI until 1957, and from 1957 to 1968 through Decca. Yes, RCA Victor Company Limited was the company name in Canada, so these were probably exported there. Whether the stickers had to do with the trademark, as I theorised, will have to be discovered later. |
| 16th Oct 2013, 3:17 PM | #6 REPORT | |
| Jock_Girl A girl who looks good in vinyl Member since Dec 2012 1544 Points Moderator |
Boursin wrote:
Yes, RCA Victor Company Limited was the company name in Canada, so these were probably exported there.
Seeing as I am finding these in Canada that is very possible. I do have to wonder why the didn't import US pressings though |
| 16th Oct 2013, 3:42 PM | #7 REPORT | |
| Boursin Member since Jun 2013 123 Points Moderator | Yes, or manufacture their own at their Montreal factory. Maybe there were temporary complications, having to do with the war or whatnot. |
| 16th Oct 2013, 10:46 PM | #8 REPORT | |
| RadnaNotions Member since Dec 2012 39 Points | I suspect this arrangement would have been about HMV's needs rather than RCA's. If HMV had stock it needed to shift, and the price worked out cheaper than RCA pressing their own, then I'm sure they'd take it. As we've noted elsewhere, things were already really tough in the UK record industry prior to the war breaking out. And I'd imagine the war was having more impact here circa 1940 than it was in Canada. |
| 17th Oct 2013, 12:05 AM | #9 REPORT | |
| Jock_Girl A girl who looks good in vinyl Member since Dec 2012 1544 Points Moderator | In the 40s, Canada was very much a part of the British Empire, being known as 'The Dominion of Canada'. In fact, there wasn't such a thing as Canadian citizenship until 1948! The ties to the UK were very close, with Canada entering the war far earlier than the USA. Therefore, export pressings from the UK could have been a way to generate cash for the homeland! |
| 18th Oct 2013, 4:46 PM | #10 REPORT | |
| Pridesale Member since Mar 2013 805 Points | Can the sticker be dated , I think it is possibly after WW2 in the UK drive for Exports , RCA Victor Canada had probably exhausted its stocks , and maybe was gearing up its factory for the new 45s which I guess Canadians could have afforded rather than us impoverished Brits. |
| 18th Oct 2013, 7:22 PM | #11 REPORT | |
| RadnaNotions Member since Dec 2012 39 Points | Yeah, just to be clear I should say I certainly wasn't meaning Canada wasn't affected by the war, or involved in it. The disc has a DT tax code so I guess we can date it to 1942-3. (That's from my fairly unreliable memory though.) But yes, that doesn't actually tell us when the stickers were applied. |
| 18th Oct 2013, 9:40 PM | #12 REPORT | |
| Jock_Girl A girl who looks good in vinyl Member since Dec 2012 1544 Points Moderator | Yes -- I would say it is a 1942 pressing. (Not sure if DT48 was ever embossed, as opposed to being a stamp). So -- all we need to figure out is the nature of the RCA Victor sticker |
| 18th Oct 2013, 10:55 PM | #13 REPORT | |
| Pridesale Member since Mar 2013 805 Points | As the UK was importing loads of Stuff in the war , and things like records could be used as ballast ( was Canada factory being used for war materials production so could not produce (as many ) records. But one would need a fair view 000 to fill a ship, and its not exactly a quick means of fulfilling orders ! |
| 18th Oct 2013, 11:11 PM | #14 REPORT | |
 | carryonsidney a happy disposition is an omnious sign.... Member since Feb 2010 1710 Points Moderator | Looking down the list of UK RCA/ HMV / Glen miller scans here it seems to me that HMV simply had the licence to press RCA material here for the uk but maybe for some printing oversight decided to use stickers instead to show that. We can see from various posts that the stickers appear on the early pressings but as Glen Miller was enormously popular here his records were probably kept on catalogue for a long time into the 1950's? Probably a change of contractural obligations meant HMV no longer had to do this? By the way I think the records as Ships ballast is an urban myth. If you had a idea of the size of the average merchant ship in those days you would have needed hundreds of thousands of records to provide the hundred[s] of tonnes of weight required [just on one boat]. Traditionally ballast is simply rocks, sand or just water, all of which was "free" to the shipping lines. Edited by carryonsidney on 18th Oct 2013, 11:11 PM |
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