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| 21st Jun 2014, 5:43 PM | #1 REPORT | |
 | YankeeDisc SUBS When in doubt.......accelerate........ Member since Dec 2010 729 Points | A new forum for tape that is already available for 7" vinyl on 45cat.com as EP sleeves, and the printers involved......singles too., and soon to be available on 45worlds: 12" Singles 45worlds: CD Albums 45worlds: CD Singles 45worlds: Vinyl Albums and maybe 45worlds: 78 RPM and 45worlds: Magazines if required. Please post your title with as much information as possible, and I will update a.s.a.p. -----thanks----- Edited by YankeeDisc on 26th Jun 2014, 2:13 PM |
| 23rd Jun 2014, 8:49 AM | #2 REPORT | |
| BiggieTembo Member since Mar 2014 101 Points | Great Forum YankeeDisc - let's start the ball rolling with some of the EMI ones we already know about: G&L = Garrod & Lofthouse (late60s/early 70s, up to their bancruptcy/dissolving in '84?) DP = SoundHog says these are Data Packaging Corp, but Delga Press fits just as well - and this is just pure guesswork. YankeeDisc, I know you lift an eyebrow to this, and I can't be sure as no info from the interweb has been forthcoming as yet. Gotta keep diggin' for the facts... the facts!!! KPL = Later, post G&L-bankcruptcy (c. 1984-ish - Gold Inlays - to 1987-ish - XDR/Transparent shells/Inlay re-designs/Barcodes ?): dates and introduction of barcodes on inlays, as well as transparent cassette shells et al seem to confirm this. Can't find sod-all info about them on the interweb though :-s EJD = Ernest J Day - (Used by EMI in parallel with G&L in the early 70s?) Look forward to more info filling in the gaps from your distribution days, YD - keep comin' with the old stories, too ;-) Edited by BiggieTembo on 23rd Jun 2014, 8:59 AM |
| 24th Jun 2014, 9:02 PM | #3 REPORT | |
| BiggieTembo Member since Mar 2014 101 Points | Decca Records this time: From The Rolling Stones' 1st LP - an early-mid 80s cassette issue (silver/red/blue/white Decca logo) - Printer code "H" on inlay reverse  Edited by BiggieTembo on 29th Jun 2014, 2:54 PM |
| 24th Jun 2014, 9:09 PM | #4 REPORT | |
| BiggieTembo Member since Mar 2014 101 Points | RCA: A 1976 cassette issue of David Bowie's ChangesOneBowie, has a "dp" printer code, in bold, lower case and italics on the inner flap, lower right hand corner (to be uploaded to Tape Media soon...) Could this be Delga Press, or the info-illusive, much-used-by-EMI Data Packaging Corp (according to SoundHog's EMI tapes fansite)? Edited by BiggieTembo on 24th Jun 2014, 10:45 PM |
| 24th Jun 2014, 9:12 PM | #5 REPORT | |
| BiggieTembo Member since Mar 2014 101 Points | EMI: A 1974 "circular EMI logo", "blue-top" inlay for Pepe Jaramillo's "This Is...." has a carefree Garrod & Lofthouse employee forgetting the "L" fro the company's name! On the inlay's inner flap, it says "7401 G & " (Scan will come soon to Tape Media...) |
| 24th Jun 2014, 11:25 PM | #6 REPORT | |
| YankeeDisc SUBS When in doubt.......accelerate........ Member since Dec 2010 729 Points |
BiggieTembo wrote:
RCA:
A 1976 cassette issue of David Bowie's ChangesOneBowie, has a "dp" printer code, in bold, lower case and italics on the inner flap, lower right hand corner (to be uploaded to Tape Media soon...) Could this be Delga Press, or the info-illusive, much-used-by-EMI Data Packaging Corp (according to SoundHog's EMI tapes fansite)? Hi BT, ....the logo used by Delga Press, which should be illustrated below, is as you showed a half case italicised d followed by a p (same but inverted), which in my opinion, the design comes from the "clever clogs" school of Graphic Design.  If the Bowie 1976 cassette uses the same font, no question it is Delga Press. In the couple of years that I have been taking care of media printers, I have never come across a company Data Packaging Corp, but I will send a PM to swagski at Discogs, who I'm sure will know. I have already searched the web..... I am also currently deciding how to display the information gleaned for the forum, so there may some back and forth manoeuvering, and I would welcome your acerbic opinions.......remember, a group effort. Stay loose. |
| 25th Jun 2014, 1:27 PM | #7 REPORT | |
| BiggieTembo Member since Mar 2014 101 Points | OK YankeeDisc, I think I've kind of ½-cracked the EMI Data Packaging Corp vs. Delga Press conundrum: We know that SoundHog's EMI cassettes fansite states that EMI used Data Packaging Corp, and that their logo or ID is DP. I checked on the great Pink Floyd Archives site, and it too says that G&L, E J Day and Data Packaging Corp printed cassettes for EMI. Some crafty internet searching resulted in the following: In Billboard's 7th November 1970 issue, page C29, there's an advert for Hellermann Data Packaging Ltd, which mentions that Data Packaging Corporation is a US company, which has now opened together with electronics company Hellermann, at a new premises in Crawley, Sussex. The advert shows tapes and 8-tracks (but not mentioning any printing of inlays). Billboard's 1st August 1970 issue, page 57, carries the same advert, and these adverts crop up in at least 5 occasions duting 1970 - so by this, we can assume that from a date of not earlier than 1970 and onwards, Data Packaging Corp were making cassettes for EMI. The company address was Gatwick Road, Crawley, Sussex, and there is mention of the company being jointly owned by Bowthorpe Holdings Ltd (Hellermann's original electrical fittings company) and Data Packaging Corporation USA. Interestingly, Data Packaging's logo, a sort of art-deco lower-case “d” and “p” in a circle, shows itself on many of the cassette shells on the Pink Floyd Archives cassette shell scans - see an early 1972-issue “Piper” here, and an early “Ummagumma” here. Other examples of Data Packaging's logo on cassette shells include white shell/green label Beatles tapes such as Let It Be and A Collection Of Beatles Oldies. According to the great Beatles UK Cassettes website, these shell types came with the "white" inlays from 1970-1971 Additionally, in the historical research spirit of not trusting one single source; a look on HellermannTyton's company website, in their history section tells us that in 1972, “...Hellermann Data Packaging [was] formed at Crawley, moulding and assembling cassettes...” Mmm... 1972 aye!- The Billboard adverts date from 2 years earlier...!!! Well I guess it goes to show that the documentation guys at HellermannTyton are not the Sherlock Holmes's we expect them to be... :-s So that pretty much clears up the identity of who Data Packaging Corporation actually are/were (Hellermann Data Packaging). But curiously, I can't find any concrete proof that they printed the blimmin' inlays... only that they made the snap-fix shells! The Billboard advert only mentions tape manufacturing, not printing or ”finishing” the product (by printing the inlays)... But the Pink Floyd Archives site says they printed the labels, and logically, if they printed the labels then theoretically (with a stretch of the logical imagination, without concrete evidence) they could have printed the inlays too, right? Next tasks: 1) Find some concrete evidence that Data Packaging Corporation actually printed the inlays... 2) Who the f**k are ”KPL”? Edited by BiggieTembo on 25th Jun 2014, 1:54 PM |
| 25th Jun 2014, 6:24 PM | #8 REPORT | |
| YankeeDisc SUBS When in doubt.......accelerate........ Member since Dec 2010 729 Points | Quote..... Next tasks: 1) Find some concrete evidence that Data Packaging Corporation actually printed the inlays... 2) Who the f**k are ”KPL”? le ....a veritable tome of an answer, I'll digest that lot later, meanwhile as a bit of levity all I can think of regarding KPL is Kippington Lodge (.....ouch, my brain hurts). |
| 25th Jun 2014, 6:31 PM | #9 REPORT | |
| YankeeDisc SUBS When in doubt.......accelerate........ Member since Dec 2010 729 Points | I just remembered from an old post at the older "EP sleeves forum", this..... "Re: Garrod & Lofthouse Ltd. ...the link on the previous posting quoted Garrod & Lofthouse Ltd., which had factories in London, Manchester, Catherham, Crawley and Redhill. A correction, Catherham is actually Caterham, Surrey, a small town, not far from Croydon, Surrey, which is in part of Greater London. Linked HERE>>>>" All were closed, but I bet the Crawley connection is relevant. If not already perused the whole page is worth a view, so read this lot and let it wash over you, probably cathartic..... |
| 26th Jun 2014, 12:42 PM | #10 REPORT | |
| YankeeDisc SUBS When in doubt.......accelerate........ Member since Dec 2010 729 Points | BiggieTembo, thank you for your diligent research.....it's paid off. I am now convinced that DP is Data Packaging Corporation and not Delga Press. I went back and looked at three own cassettes I've yet to post, all EMI issued product. 1. Wings - Red Rose Speedway TC-PCTC 251, 'gold' inlay card printed by 7306 G&L , (Garrod & Lofthouse Ltd - June 1973) black cassette shell, with the raised "dp" logo device in the moulding, only on Side 1. Gummed labels stuck onto shell, with no Dolby logo device present on inlay card.. Inlay card by G&L, tape duplication by Data Packaging Corporation. I know for a fact that I bought that cassette June/July 1973, because I took the tape away on holiday with us to Majorca late July 1973, where my girlfriend had her 21st birthday.....the tape was played a lot. 2. Paul McCartney & Wings - Band On The Run TC-PAS 10007, 'gold' inlay card printed by 7401 DP, (Data Packaging Corporation - January 1974) black cassette shell, with the raised "dp" logo device in the moulding, only on Side 1. Inlay card and tape duplication by Data Packaging Corporation. Gummed labels stuck onto shell, with Dolby logo device present on inlay card. EMI were probably saving a few pennies per tape by "in-housing" the production process, or maybe they got Garrod & Lofthouse Ltd. to print the inlay as before, but substitute the ID print name DP for G&L, or no business. It did happen like that, the record business was rammed full of shysters and carpetbaggers who could really screw everybody for a dime. I was in the record business for a number of years, and some of the strokes I saw pulled by "operators" would make a Bishop feint.... The Bonzo Dog Band - Gorilla TCS 50160 (United Artists Sunset budget label, made and distributed by EMI Group), 'white' inlay card, overprinted on one side only, possibly litho. Unknown printer possibly under contract to Data Packaging Corporation, with an alabaster cassette shell, with the raised "dp" logo device in the moulding, both sides. Inlay card and tape duplication by Data Packaging Corporation. Gummed labels stuck onto shell with Dolby logo device present on inlay card. All three of the cassette shells have embossed upper case "MADE IN ENGLAND" on the shell mouldings, both sides. |
| 27th Jun 2014, 12:07 AM | #11 REPORT | |
| YankeeDisc SUBS When in doubt.......accelerate........ Member since Dec 2010 729 Points |
BiggieTembo wrote:
Great Forum YankeeDisc - let's start .........
.....look forward to more info filling in the gaps from your distribution days, YD. My former business was primarily the importation and wholesaling of Vinyl LPs, 12" singles and 7" singles, plus one or two other variants. I did dabble in cassettes a few times (....but not 8-tracks, as they were by then, 1978, dead in the water), mainly to supply to shops who asked for "special orders" for their regular punters. The trouble was, when I turned up with the cassette tape from the US, no later than seven days after ordering, I would get "....sorry, they've changed their mind", or "yon granny was washed away in a flood, and they're at the burial now...", you get the picture..... I do actually recall two cassettes like that, which I think I still have...... Georgio Moroder - Midnight Express US cat# - Casablanca NBL5-7114 Second tape shown is a European copy  _______________   Jerry Knight - "PERFECT FIT" LP A&M Records SP-4843, issued 1981  First pic. of album sleeve to show artwork of cassette sleeve, "Perfect Fit" not yet available for posting. Jerry Knight - Perfect Fit (A&M CS-4843) (ex-member of Raydio, later formed half of duo Ollie & Jerry.) Jerry Knight cassette shown is his first solo release, from 1980 CS-4788 (note shrink wrapped), "Perfect Fit" was issued 1981. I did import and supply many other cassettes of then current US product, but sold them all, so no details remain. Edited by YankeeDisc on 27th Jun 2014, 1:38 AM |
| 27th Jun 2014, 12:07 AM | #12 REPORT | |
| YankeeDisc SUBS When in doubt.......accelerate........ Member since Dec 2010 729 Points | Somebody must own this...... In the meantime, this one has to go onto the main listing.....  ...well worth a look at CassetteGods....Blogspot Edited by YankeeDisc on 27th Jun 2014, 1:08 AM |
| 27th Jun 2014, 3:19 PM | #13 REPORT | |
| BiggieTembo Member since Mar 2014 101 Points |
BiggieTembo wrote:
RCA:
A 1976 cassette issue of David Bowie's ChangesOneBowie, has a "dp" printer code, in bold, lower case and italics on the inner flap, lower right hand corner (to be uploaded to Tape Media soon...) Could this be Delga Press, or the info-illusive, much-used-by-EMI Data Packaging Corp (according to SoundHog's EMI tapes fansite)? Cassette now uploaded to TapeMedia (it's actually not italics as I wrote earlier, more like a "straightened italic" - I'm sure there's a graphical term for that kind of thing...)... YankeeDisc - I can't see your image of Delga Press' logo - but is it the same as here?:  Edited by BiggieTembo on 27th Jun 2014, 3:25 PM |
| 27th Jun 2014, 3:27 PM | #14 REPORT | |
| BiggieTembo Member since Mar 2014 101 Points | Re: Thunderegg: I swear it's Todd Lundgren in his younger days... Or maybe Todd Lundgren's his Dad? Edited by BiggieTembo on 27th Jun 2014, 6:35 PM |
| 27th Jun 2014, 3:30 PM | #15 REPORT | |
| BiggieTembo Member since Mar 2014 101 Points | Re: Jerry Knight's Perfect Fit LP front cover: I'll be damned if she's not just sticking her tongue in his ear! I think he likes it though, by the look on his face. That's cheeky, that is. Cheeky. Edited by BiggieTembo on 27th Jun 2014, 4:07 PM |
| 27th Jun 2014, 3:54 PM | #16 REPORT | |
| BiggieTembo Member since Mar 2014 101 Points | Re: Next tasks: 2) Who the f**k are ”KPL”? Formpart (KPL) Ltd - formerly known as Kompass Publishers Ltd, East Grinstead. Probable contender for the printed inlays for EMI after G&L went ass-ways c.1984-5, up until the re-designed "XDR" transparent shell issues were introduced c.1987. The inlays would have duplicated the same designs as the "Gold-Series" inlays from G&L (1973-1984) with the addition of, for example, barcodes, and some early "XDR" logos (before the whole XDR-redesign was inaugurated proper in '87, with new inlays and more content from the original LPs, etc.  Slightly tenuous, but could be right - EMI always seemed to choose printers in and around the London area ;-) Edited by BiggieTembo on 27th Jun 2014, 4:08 PM |
| 27th Jun 2014, 4:18 PM | #17 REPORT | |
| YankeeDisc SUBS When in doubt.......accelerate........ Member since Dec 2010 729 Points |
BiggieTembo wrote:
Re: Thunderegg:
I swear it's Todd Lundgren in his younger days... Maybe Todd Lundgren's his Dad? ....lol, you do mean Todd Rundgren, right? I was thinking more in the "whacked out genius" mould that was the late and much missed Vivian Stanshall. On that website there is a slight sideways reference to Viv...... Quote: "But I digress. If you are a fan of mid-ninties K records, Tullycraft, Death Cab for Cutie, you know, that whole scene, this might be a great cassette for you. Thunderegg is not the greatest of emo crooners, but with a release that is TWENTY EIGHT songs deep, you get a lot of bang for your buck here. " |
| 27th Jun 2014, 4:41 PM | #18 REPORT | |
| YankeeDisc SUBS When in doubt.......accelerate........ Member since Dec 2010 729 Points |
BiggieTembo wrote:
Re: Next tasks:
2) Who the f**k are ”KPL”? Formpart (KPL) Ltd - formerly known as Kompass Publishers Ltd, East Grinstead. Probable contender for the printed inlays for EMI after G&L went ass-ways c.1984-5, up until the re-designed "XDR" transparent shell issues were introduced c.1987. The inlays would have duplicated the same designs as the "Gold-Series" inlays from G&L (1973-1984) with the addition of, for example, barcodes, and some early "XDR" logos (before the whole XDR-redesign was inaugurated proper in '87, with new inlays and more content from the original LPs, etc. Slightly tenuous, but could be right - EMI always seemed to choose printers in and around the London area ;-) Well done that man, for seeking out the truth. How do you do it, have you got an "access all areas" pass to GCHQ? Formpart (KPL) Ltd - formerly known as Kompass Publishers Ltd, East Grinstead, of course goes on the list, so gradually it's all coming together. I am intrigued by the amount of tape duplicators, and printers that are/were in a "golden triangle" sort of, between Redhill Surrey (G&L), Caterham Surrey (G&L), Crawley West Sussex (G&L and Data Packaging Corporation), and East Grinstead West Sussex (KPL). Garrod and Lofthouse printers also had plants in London and Manchester, before their demise. I did mention on another post that although Data Packaging Corporation do not appear to have printed their own cassette inlays and paper cassette labels (where relevant), because I deduce that they contracted the work out to other printers without perhaps giving said printer a recognition ID, then we must ascribe the whole credit for duplication and printing to Data Packaging Corporation, and I'll use the acronym D.P.C. as their descriptive. Thanks for your help, Biggie. ....ooops I meant D.P.C. not D.T.P. as previously inserted. Edited by YankeeDisc on 27th Jun 2014, 6:38 PM |
| 27th Jun 2014, 6:23 PM | #19 REPORT | |
| BiggieTembo Member since Mar 2014 101 Points | No, I meant Todd Lundgren... Dolf Lundgren's dad... ;-) Edited by BiggieTembo on 28th Jun 2014, 8:48 AM |
| 27th Jun 2014, 6:33 PM | #20 REPORT | |
| BiggieTembo Member since Mar 2014 101 Points | Thanks YankeeD - working with Documentation and Sourcing for so many years has given me the ability to track down a gnat's chuff in a World-sized haystack. Anyway it seems the most likely printer, even without any concrete evidence. I think Formpart has gone bust now too. Anyways, on the subject of tape inlay printers, how about tape manufacturers?: On my internet travels I also found out that EMI had tapes made during the "transparent" shell era (c. 85 onwards) by a company called GTS Fabrications Ltd from Cardiff. They've also gone bust though. You can even see their logo on some of the shells:  GTS did loads for Virgin in the mid 90s; there's loads of cassette singles and albums are starting to crop up on Tape Media too:  Edited by BiggieTembo on 2nd Jul 2014, 9:49 AM |
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