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  8th Sep 2014, 1:32 PM#1  REPORT  
Billy Two

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Question for 78rpm World :

Was it common in the early/mid 50's for a 78 to be released at the same time as the 45 equivalent, or was there often a delay in the release dates (for example, to wait and see if it sold enough to warrant a 45 release) ?

I ask specifically in relation to Billy Bland "Chicken In Basket, where the 78rpm was a definite '55 release, but every reference I've seen points to the 45 being a '56 release.

But I'm also interested in general !

BT

Edited by Billy Two on 8th Sep 2014, 1:40 PM

  8th Sep 2014, 2:41 PM#2  REPORT  
Whyperion SUBS

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Billy, allegedly the 45 was invented from 78-33 = 45, (the RCA vs EMI / Columbia patents ) although I have also heard that the speeds were derived something from electrical motor phasings.

Releases probably depended on on pressing plant avaliblity. By the mid 50s I would guess new speed record players were becoming more common, so logically a 45 might come first, but I guess small labels knew their markets and where & when best to distribute different formats.


  8th Sep 2014, 3:17 PM#3  REPORT  
Jock_Girl

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I think that the your thoughts are correct. I see it as a number scenarios

late 40s early 50s: 78s first - then 45s if warranted for all but RCA. For RCA they would be at the same time.

Early 50s to mid 50s: releases at the same time

Mid 50s to late 50s -- 45 first -- 78 later.

It does depend on the audience though. For example -- R&B releases may have had a 78 first almost always because the audience could not afford a player for 45s. Pop artist would have had 45s first an then 78s if the market needed it.

In the case of the R&B on78 first, I can see a small label only doing 78s an dthen moving to both later, re-issuing a record as a 45 to capture the white teenage crowd, and using the same catalogue number with a 45- prefix.

Amy

Edited by moderator on 12th Sep 2014, 7:01 PM

  10th Sep 2014, 8:58 AM#4  REPORT  
Shellac

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I have the last Parlophone 78: 'Poor Me' Adam Faith Jan (1960)

Columbia 78: 'Royal Event' Russ Conway March (1960)

Anyone know the LAST issues for HMV POP and Decca??

Edited by moderator on 12th Sep 2014, 7:02 PM

  10th Sep 2014, 1:22 PM#5  REPORT  
lorangrecords SUBS

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The two last HMV POP were in 1959 HMV POPs last two 78s were No. 712 & 792, but there were big gaps from No. 603 and on.
Deccas last 78rpm was F 11256 in July 1960. There were also big gaps before the end of the 78s. Until appr. F 10380 there were a lot of different release dates. Often up to six months later for the 45s. Although in May & June 1954, almost both were released at the same date.
Hope this helps a bit.

Edited by moderator on 10th Sep 2014, 1:23 PM

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