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  11th Aug 2015, 8:45 PM#1  REPORT  
harley

Member since Dec 2010
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I'm shocked at how many shows the BBC wiped they would have had a gold mine today with the Top Of The Pops and the endless sitcom, drama, thrillers and TV Movies they made.


  12th Aug 2015, 11:02 PM#2  REPORT  
RadoxTheGreen

Wait, I have to scan what now?
Member since Jan 2013
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Not just the BBC, ITV were just as bad. Whenever a company lost a region franchise the whole archive of material often got incinerated.


  13th Aug 2015, 5:26 PM#3  REPORT  
TopPopper

Member since Mar 2013
2612 Points
There are similar cases in recorded music too, where tapes were just recorded over. I think people didn't start to realise the cultural value of these things until more recently. They probably thought no-one would ever be interested.


  14th Aug 2015, 2:31 PM#4  REPORT  
Neil Forbes

Rock, Country or R. & B. - Classic Hits for me!
Member since Dec 2014
252 Points
RadoxTheGreen wrote:
Not just the BBC, ITV were just as bad. Whenever a company lost a region franchise the whole archive of material often got incinerated.
It happened here in Australia too! Station ATV-Melbourne was the host station for Lewis/Young Productions, and later, Television House to produce the legendary "Young Talent Time" which ran from April, 1971 to December, 1988. But there are 800+ editions of the show gone because the tapes were "wiped" on orders from station management to preserve tape for other shows. I sincerely hope Johnny Young managed to preserve his own copies of those editions as there are so many golden moments from that show that I'd hate to think were lost to us forever.


  22nd Aug 2015, 8:07 PM#5  REPORT  
Break-In Master

Member since Dec 2013
250 Points
TopPopper wrote:
There are similar cases in recorded music too, where tapes were just recorded over. I think people didn't start to realise the cultural value of these things until more recently. They probably thought no-one would ever be interested.
Or, they just sold the tapes. I've picked up a few on e-Bay that were previous recorded professionally and, in some cases, it seems a waste to record over them, at least not before copying them to CD or something.


  22nd Aug 2015, 8:12 PM#6  REPORT  
Break-In Master

Member since Dec 2013
250 Points
Neil Forbes wrote:
RadoxTheGreen wrote:
Not just the BBC, ITV were just as bad. Whenever a company lost a region franchise the whole archive of material often got incinerated.
It happened here in Australia too! Station ATV-Melbourne was the host station for Lewis/Young Productions, and later, Television House to produce the legendary "Young Talent Time" which ran from April, 1971 to December, 1988. But there are 800+ editions of the show gone because the tapes were "wiped" on orders from station management to preserve tape for other shows. I sincerely hope Johnny Young managed to preserve his own copies of those editions as there are so many golden moments from that show that I'd hate to think were lost to us forever.
Well, as they are, at this very moment, radiating out into space, there should be SOME way for us to get them off the airwaves.


  22nd Aug 2015, 8:14 PM#7  REPORT  
TopPopper

Member since Mar 2013
2612 Points
Break-In Master wrote:
Well, as they are, at this very moment, radiating out into space, there should be SOME way for us to get them off the airwaves.

You'd have to re-write the laws of physics, for they are travelling away at the speed of light and can never be caught.


  23rd Aug 2015, 2:42 PM#8  REPORT  
Neil Forbes

Rock, Country or R. & B. - Classic Hits for me!
Member since Dec 2014
252 Points
TopPopper wrote:
Break-In Master wrote:
Well, as they are, at this very moment, radiating out into space, there should be SOME way for us to get them off the airwaves.

You'd have to re-write the laws of physics, for they are travelling away at the speed of light and can never be caught.

Well, if you start running now....! :laugh:


  30th Aug 2015, 4:37 AM#9  REPORT  
23skidoo

Member since Jul 2014
4061 Points
TopPopper wrote:
There are similar cases in recorded music too, where tapes were just recorded over. I think people didn't start to realise the cultural value of these things until more recently. They probably thought no-one would ever be interested.

There is at least one known case of an Elvis Presley Sun recording that was taped over. Tape was valuable and storage space (as anyone with a collection living in an apartment can tell you) is sometimes hard to come by.

While I'm not a fan of digital replacing permanent physical media (too much danger of it becoming irretrievable over decades and too easy to delete) it's a shame the BBC, ITV, even NBC (which wiped most of Johnny Carson's first decade hosting Tonight) didn't have access to the technology.

But here is the thing: I am under the understanding that nothing is every totally erased from magnetic tape, just as hard drives are never completely wiped (they've used tech to restore files long since "deleted" on hard drives and most security companies will tell you if you want a drive to be securely erased the only way to be sure is to hit it with a sledgehammer and throw it into a furnace). I wonder if it's possible today to go onto, say, the tape that of that Elvis performance at Sun that was recorded over, and retrieve the signal? Of course that assumes the tape itself still exists.


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