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  11th Dec 2016, 12:06 PM#1  REPORT  
Bob1951

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Hello, I have a lot of ethnic 78's that were manufactured in the U.S.A. Are these to be listed in U.S.A. or the country of ethnicity?

For instance Victor # 67206 is German but was made in the U.S.A.

Do I put this in Germany or U.S.A.? Thanks, Bob


  11th Dec 2016, 12:45 PM#2  REPORT  
Redpunk SUBS

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Where were the records released is the question, if they were made in the USA for release only in Germany than it would be Germany but if they were released in the USA for the Ex-Pat German community then it would be USA.
For example a lot of pre 1914 78's were made in Prussia and Hanover but only released in the UK so are listed as UK.
Hope this is of help.


  11th Dec 2016, 1:09 PM#3  REPORT  
Bob1951

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I have no way of knowing where they were released. My assumption is that an ethnic record made in the USA is for consumption in the USA for the specific community. This only makes it more confusing.

Perhaps, I will list it in USA, and a moderator may move it, if necessary?


  11th Dec 2016, 2:05 PM#4  REPORT  
Redpunk SUBS

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That's fine, as you say if required a mod can change the country.


  12th Dec 2016, 2:25 PM#5  REPORT  
scrough🍰

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Bob,
I've researched this kind of situation and found no answers. In my case it was the record in this Why Sweden? blog, where a Scottish concertina player's 1908 UK discs had been released as 'Swedish' by Victor in 1915. So I'll be adding this to the USA.

There are certain labels where we can determine the intended country of issue from the catalogue number or prefix - UK Columbia for instance - which I've recently written up, but not had time to apply to the site yet. As Redpunk says, if more info becomes available, we'll change the country.


  15th Dec 2016, 9:23 PM#6  REPORT  
xiphophilos

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Both Victor and Columbia made a lot of records for ethnic communities in the USA. Sometimes, these recordings were even made abroad, but they were produced and sold in the United States. So all these discs should definitely be listed as US releases.

I've created lists for the different ethnic series by Victor and Columbia.

Columbia E Series (Ethnic Series for the immigrant market in the US)
Columbia F-Series

The Victor Ethnic Black Label list list so far contains:
Victor V-prefix; 69000-series; 78000-series; 18-, 25-, 26-prefixes.

There were also similar series of Bluebird recordings.

There is a great series of discographies on the topic of ethnic records by Richard K. Spottswood:
"Ethnic Music on Records: A Discography of Ethnic Recordings Produced in the United States, 1893-1942."
v. 1. Western Europe -- v. 2. Slavic -- v. 3. Eastern Europe -- v. 4. Spanish, Portuguese, Philippine, Basque -- v. 5. Mid-East, Far East, Scandinavian, English language, American Indian, international -- v. 6. Artist index, title index -- v. 7. Record number index, matrix number index.

Previews of part of these volumes are available on Google books.
http://www.press.uillinois.edu/books/catalog/45ssp5zs9780252017216.html

Even better, for private, non-commercial use, Dick Spottswood is now offering updated versions of his research in pdf-format as a free download via the Mainspring Press website:
Columbia E-Series
Columbia C-Series (releases for the Spanish-language market)

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