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  24th May 2017, 5:18 PM#1  REPORT  
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What is the definition of a CD EP. I am about to add Mariah Carey's MTV Unplugged EP but it has seven tracks. Personally I would call that a Mini Album and put it into CD Album world. Or Do I keep to the classification of an EP and put it into CD Single world. I was always under the impression that an EP would have 3, 4 or 5 tracks on it, one of which was the current single. Any ideas :confused:


  24th May 2017, 5:40 PM#2  REPORT  
TopPopper

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There's no black and white rule.

If there's a vinyl equivalent, go with that format.

If the cat number matches singles or albums, that's another indicator.

If all else fails, if you think it's a mini-album, I'd go for that.



  24th May 2017, 6:11 PM#3  REPORT  
Magic Marmalade

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"Can 'o' worms" alert! :laugh:

I think it's difficult with this, as the medium allows more than vinyl logic, because of what a CD can hold.

I personally define it as less than 8 different tracks - 7 or under.

Only if the same title has been remixed to make the total more than 8 would I add as a CD single

(There's one I looked at yesterday that had two discs worth of the same track mixed over and over).

But "album samplers" I'm a little fuzzy on myself actually - should they be promos for album world? (modern equivalent of single sided demos). or are they EPs for single world (or still promos here)?

Mostly you can tell the difference, and convert the vinyl logic, but there are a few that make you scratch your head... what the hell is a "mini album"... it's an EP isn't it... or an album?!!! :confused:


  24th May 2017, 6:31 PM#4  REPORT  
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I'm wracking my brains with this now. I just have a vague recollection from the time the first John Martyn was released there was bit of a curfuffle about it's timing and it shouldn't have been a single but rather a Maxi CD or a Mini Album. I had asked the question before and Steve Kelly1st gave a link to a PDF which defines CD Singles. The Mariah Carey though is 7 tracks and 28 minutes long


  24th May 2017, 7:41 PM#5  REPORT  
Magic Marmalade

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30 mins or under, over 7 different tracks... sound about right?

30 / 7 = 4.2

So 4.2 (ish) is it's "CD number"

(very mathematical)

And if a CD divides to a higher number than this... it's an album :thumbsup:


  24th May 2017, 7:51 PM#6  REPORT  
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This is the consensus we came to originally -
sladesounds


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What is a CD Single - A CD World users (rough) guide.

To many a CD Single is obvious - the equivalent of a 7" single, 7" EP or a 12" single or 12" Maxi single. However with record labels being generous and making full use of the CD format we have CDs being issued which could be called Mini Albums (or the equivalent).

This site, being the sister site of 45Cat is about CD singles, not CD albums or CD mini albums.

So how to define a CD, using the UK Chart Company's guidelines, to qualify in the UK as a single:

The CD (Single) must contain the featured track or a version/remix of it.
The CD (Single) must meet the minimum dealer price requirement.
The CD (Single) must have no more than 4 different tracks, although each song may appear in any number of different versions.
The CD (Single) maximum running time is 25 minutes (if more than one different song is featured), or 40 minutes (if one song is featured in multiple versions/mixes).

So the important bits that make a CD qualify as a CD Single.
No more than 4 different tracks (not counting any remixes of the same song).
No more than 25 minutes in playing time (for up to 4 different tracks) or upto 40 minutes if the CD contains remix versions.

So (besides selling a few copies) a CD with tracks listing:

1. Song A
2. Song B
3. Song C
4. Song D

is good for inclusion in the UK Charts;

whereas a CD with the track listing:

1. Song A
2. Song B
3. Song C
4. Song D
5. Song E

is not.

A CD with track listing:

1. Song A
2. Song B
3. Song C
4. Song D
5. Song A (remix)

is classed as valid for although it has 5 tracks, the remix track does not count for UK Chart purposes.

The guidelines outlined above are based on the UK charts; there are always going to be exceptions to the rule such as do we include the running time of any video tracks on the disc? What about DVD singles?

A general rule that can be applied is that if a CD charts in the singles chart of a country, regardless of the number of tracks on the disc, then it must be a CD Single (at least as far as that country is concerned).

Another general rule is if an artist/band releases a CD and calls it a CD Single or the record label promotes the CD as a CD Single then, in theory, it must be a CD Single regardless of the number of tracks or the running time.

There will be many discs that fall outside of the basic guidelines/rules and these can be discussed in the forums.

If you have any disc that you can't make your mind up about then ask in the forums and see what the consensus is, let the masses decide.


Edited by sladesounds on 9th Feb 2013, 10:01 AM


  24th May 2017, 8:04 PM#7  REPORT  
Magic Marmalade

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Your first customer

:confused:


  24th May 2017, 8:46 PM#8  REPORT  
sladesounds

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Magic Marmalade wrote:
Your first customer

:confused:

:huh:

Seriously if this was issued in the UK it would (I reckon) be eligible for the UK Charts as it is one song with a shed load of remixes of the same track.
Quote:
A CD with track listing:

1. Song A
2. Song B
3. Song C
4. Song D
5. Song A (remix)

is classed as valid for although it has 5 tracks, the remix track does not count for UK Chart purposes.





  24th May 2017, 8:49 PM#9  REPORT  
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Who would want to listen to that many versions of the same track ? But as they all versions of the same song, single is the right way to go.


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