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| 22nd Sep 2019, 9:52 PM | #1 REPORT | |
 | TopPopper Member since Mar 2013 2612 Points | No, not a Paul-is-dead thread... A query has been raised over whether this album (and other editions thereof) are correctly credited to Paul McCartney. I can certainly see the logic behind listing it as Various Artists, but I'm not sure. Does anyone have any views? |
| 22nd Sep 2019, 10:30 PM | #2 REPORT | |
 | Quad5point1 SUBS ● Member since Jul 2012 10746 Points | There's certainly no doubting that he wrote the tracks on the album but I would go along with the Various Artists reasoning. I suppose it's like saying a CD of Bach or Mozart should then be adjusted to have them as the artist rather than the orchestra playing the material. |
| 23rd Sep 2019, 8:31 AM | #3 REPORT | |
 | nboldock Lend me ten pounds and I'll buy you a drink. Member since Feb 2012 7281 Points Moderator | I'd say Various Artists as well for sure. |
| 23rd Sep 2019, 10:40 AM | #4 REPORT | |
 | sladesounds Turning rebellion into money since 1962 Member since Nov 2009 6576 Points Moderator | I personally would stick with Paul McCartney. The art work credits him and other (classical) examples such as Leonard Bernstein and John Williams have albums credited to them that could easily be considered Various Artists. Wikipedia shows the album being credited to Paul McCartney & with the London Symphony Orchestra and the Loma Mar Quartet. His own website claims him as the artists for the release as seen here. Also EMI Classics (the label releasing the work) credits the album to Paul. Edited by sladesounds on 23rd Sep 2019, 10:47 AM |
| 23rd Sep 2019, 1:34 PM | #5 REPORT | |
 | zabadak Caddacack oh da ca-caddacack, shy shy skagellack Member since Jun 2010 4189 Points | Is he on it?  |
| 23rd Sep 2019, 7:07 PM | #6 REPORT | |
 | TheJudge In-house specialist in drive-by moddings. Member since Dec 2012 3719 Points Moderator | I'd say definitely VA. |
| 23rd Sep 2019, 9:42 PM | #7 REPORT | |
| dezwarteschijf Member since Jul 2014 268 Points | Should ABBA be credited by ABBA when all songs were covered by Agnetha Fältskog ? Point is, all songs are performed by other artist(s) and therefore should be credited as a Various album dispite if Paul wrote all the songs. |
| 23rd Sep 2019, 10:23 PM | #8 REPORT | |
| TopPopper Member since Mar 2013 2612 Points | Looking like four to one in favour of VA... |
| 24th Sep 2019, 6:08 AM | #9 REPORT | |
| sladesounds Turning rebellion into money since 1962 Member since Nov 2009 6576 Points Moderator |
TopPopper wrote:
Looking like four to one in favour of VA...
Happy to go with the concensus (especially as I don't own the album) but should we now address items such as the Bernstein album as he has purely composer credits, the soundtrack being conducted by Johnny Green and performed by others. This seems to be an issue with several living classical composers (or composers who had albums released whilst alive) especially with movie soundtracks. There are several I can think of such as John Williams, Hans Zimmer, Michael Giacchino and James Horner who have written and had albums credited to them on this database but their actual performance on the said albums could be easily debated. Edited by sladesounds on 24th Sep 2019, 6:19 AM |
| 24th Sep 2019, 8:10 AM | #10 REPORT | |
| TopPopper Member since Mar 2013 2612 Points | The Paul McCartney album is also at the classical end of the spectrum, as is Bernstein. Maybe then, we should apply different rules to these types of recordings and take the main composer or person behind the musical creations, as the artist? That would be distinct from ordinary rock/pop records. |
| 24th Sep 2019, 9:09 AM | #11 REPORT | |
 | JPGR&B SUBS My aim - to add all my collections on 45worlds. Member since May 2009 4565 Points Moderator | I can see TopPopper’s point, but I think people would search under Paul McCartney for his classical albums and therefore I favour leaving them as they are under his name. |
| 2nd Oct 2019, 1:43 PM | #12 REPORT | |
| ppint. Member since Aug 2012 6452 Points | um; he is the attributed composer of all tracks, and so it is findable by searching for tracks composed by him, he is named in the full title of the album, and so it is findable by searching on the full title; it's also findable by searching "all" on his name; and he does not perform on any of the tracks, nor as instrumentalist, nor as vocalist, nor as conductor; should "johann sebastian bach" be added as a performing artist to every album of his works, or including any of his works, upon which he does not perform ? should beethoven, brahms, hector berlioz, and benjamin britten, likewise ? |
| 2nd Oct 2019, 2:13 PM | #13 REPORT | |
| TopPopper Member since Mar 2013 2612 Points | Johann Sebastian Bach, and the other names you mention, were clearly not performing artists and shouldn't be listed as such. Agreed. However none of them were recording artists either. That's where the waters get muddy. Paul McCartney is a recording artist, and he puts his own work out - does he have to perform for the work to still be considered "by" him? I have a Beatles album where the backing strings to Eleanor Rigby are included as an isolated, stand-alone track. (Anthology II - listed on 45 Worlds.) No Beatles play on it, but it's inavriably credited to The Beatles. |
| 2nd Oct 2019, 2:50 PM | #14 REPORT | |
 | Jock_Girl A girl who looks good in vinyl Member since Dec 2012 1544 Points Moderator |
TopPopper wrote:
Johann Sebastian Bach, and the other names you mention, were clearly not performing artists and shouldn't be listed as such. Agreed.
I'm certain you'll find several vintage antique 78 rpm LPs recorded by him listed on eBay  Amy |
| 3rd Oct 2019, 12:38 AM | #15 REPORT | |
| JPGR&B SUBS My aim - to add all my collections on 45worlds. Member since May 2009 4565 Points Moderator |
JPGR&B wrote:
I can see TopPopper’s point, but I think people would search under Paul McCartney for his classical albums and therefore I favour leaving them as they are under his name.
Thinking again. If we used Various Artists or the orchestra as the main artist, we could tag (and list) all the albums under “Paul McCartney’s Classical Works”. |
| 3rd Oct 2019, 12:49 AM | #16 REPORT | |
 | The_Vinyl_Junkie SUBS ● My body is on the diminishing streak. Member since Dec 2011 8103 Points Moderator | Peter Schickele is a composer and a recording artist, but his works by various symphony orchestras, choral groups, chamber ensembles and so on don't list him as the Artist, only as composer. |
| 3rd Oct 2019, 12:33 PM | #17 REPORT | |
| zabadak Caddacack oh da ca-caddacack, shy shy skagellack Member since Jun 2010 4189 Points |
zabadak wrote:
Is he on it?
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