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| 13th Jun 2020, 5:14 PM | #1 REPORT | |
 | scrough No picture 'cos I'm not into 45rpm :( Member since Jan 2013 3428 Points Moderator | A recent comment by Bamboo on Zono 1665 asked moderators to sort two Zonophone double-sided label variants by date. Although one of the moderators has done this nominally, the true answer is not clear cut. 'Zonophone-The Twin' labels were in use from June 1911 to June 1920 according to Frank Andrews' Double-sided Zono book. They were then replaced by 'HMV Dog' trademark labels. The original label design featured the serial number centrally below the centre hole; the later variation had the serial on the left hand side. However the two label variations both appeared throughout the label's pressings period until Zono 1910 in Feb 1919. Frank Andrews writes this: From 587 to 611 the Serial-Number was placed at the left-hand-side of the label and 'Product Of' was omitted from the legend. There was a reversion to the original, from No. 612, with 1910 being the highest to have it so. However at 1590, the serial appeared at the left hand side again and future issues shared both positions for the serial numbers, with the left-hand side becoming more dominant until, at No.1911, onwards, all labels showed left-hand position until a change in the label. Given the length of time that these records remained in the catalogue (eg Zono 2 first issued on Twin in Aug 1908 shows a post Nov 1926 label), the 'Serial' position cannot be used to determine the label age with any confidence. Edited by scrough on 14th Jun 2020, 5:45 PM |
| 14th Jun 2020, 4:21 AM | #2 REPORT | |
| JLC135 Member since Aug 2014 2720 Points Moderator | Of course it has to be complicated... Did Frank mention the silver-lined Zono-Twin label design? Presumably it's one of the later variations?  |
| 14th Jun 2020, 1:53 PM | #3 REPORT | |
| scrough No picture 'cos I'm not into 45rpm :( Member since Jan 2013 3428 Points Moderator | Frank says that the Zonophone overprint was there from the start of double-sided issues: The new label was dark green with gold printing and overprinted with the Zonophone Cross and Circle logo in pale blue... Time has faded many of these overprints, and he doesn't note a change of ink to a more silver colour. The new comments on Bamboo's labels have moved on to the copyright stamp cost. This was either 2½ or 5 percent of the record's sale price, and didn't change until November 1928, which is outside the period of these label styles. Frank gives the sale price of 10" Twins/Zono-Twins as follows: 1908 - Aug 1915: 2/6d (30d) Sep 1915 - Aug 1917: 1/6d (18d) Sep 1917 - Aug 1918: 2/0d (24d) Sep 1918 - Aug 1919: 2/6d (30d) Sep 1919 - Jan 1920: 3/0d (36d) Feb 1920 - Aug 1921: 4/0d (48d) So it looks like the ½d stamp probably belongs to the Sep 1915-Aug 1917 period when the record was first issued in Sep 1916. Whew!!  .Its probably worthwhile to add the later label style periods while I have the book in front of me: 'HMV Dog': June 1920 - June 1924 Z-R filigree quandrants: July 1924 - Nov 1926 'Zonophone' only without Record: Dec 1926 to end of label (Dec 1932) Bright green label:Oct 1931 to end of label. |
| 14th Jun 2020, 4:25 PM | #4 REPORT | |
| scrough No picture 'cos I'm not into 45rpm :( Member since Jan 2013 3428 Points Moderator | I couldn't understand which copyright rate applied to what, so I went back to the 1911 act itself, which commenced 1 July 1912. It seems that it was phased in: Section 19: (3) The rate at which such royalties as aforesaid are to be calculated shall— (a)in the case of contrivances sold within two years after the commencement of this Act by the person making the same, be two and one-half per cent. ; and (b)in the case of contrivances sold as aforesaid after the expiration of that period, five per cent. on the ordinary retail selling price of the contrivance calculated in the prescribed manner, so however that the royalty payable in respect of a contrivance shall, in no case, be less than a halfpenny for each separate musical work in which copyright subsists reproduced thereon, and, where the royalty calculated as aforesaid includes a fraction of a farthing, such fraction shall be reckoned as a farthing.. and then goes on to say that this rate may be changed in future subject to certain time conditions. A farthing is one quarter of a pre-decimal penny (d) and there are 240 pre-decimal pennies in a pound or 12 in a shilling (1/0d). There are a few 'ifs and buts' so you can read the complete Section 19 here Edited by scrough on 14th Jun 2020, 4:47 PM |
| 20th Jun 2020, 5:34 PM | #5 REPORT | |
| JLC135 Member since Aug 2014 2720 Points Moderator | Well, at least there's some way of determining earlier pressings. scrough wrote:
.. he doesn't note a change of ink to a more silver colour.
I probably should've also noted the box area for the stamps which isn't present in other Z-Twin designs... Anyway, some other variations include: - Z-R filigree quandrants with speed: ~mid 1926 - Z-R filigree without quandrants: late 1926(?) - 'Zonophone' only with Patents: ~mid 1932 to end of label. |
| 20th Jun 2020, 7:50 PM | #6 REPORT | |
| scrough No picture 'cos I'm not into 45rpm :( Member since Jan 2013 3428 Points Moderator | Thanks JLC, I've gone through Frank's notes again, so to expand on your notes: - Z-R filigree quadrants with speed: May 1926 - Z-R filigree without lower quadrants: Sept 1926 |
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