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| 1st Jul 2020, 10:18 AM | #1 REPORT | |
 | Careys Member since Feb 2018 6101 Points | Why are CD albums not listed by country like the other categories are? |
| 1st Jul 2020, 10:50 AM | #2 REPORT | |
 | Magic Marmalade If you're not lost... It's not an adventure! Member since Jun 2014 3773 Points Moderator | Possibly on the "to do" list... We're still busy grouping labels by country, tying up artists etc. and building our field of dreams  ... but it's a work in progress, I'm sure this will happen eventually. |
| 2nd Jul 2020, 4:11 PM | #3 REPORT | |
| Pridesale🍰 Member since Mar 2013 805 Points | Look at the mess of Discogs - Europe and UK being the biggest. Countries are almost determined by rights (which constantly moved around). And as for those tiny run-offs working out what was done by EMI Swindon, Sonopress or anywhere else.!! I am tending to use Discogs for my collection - simply because someone else has already added most of them by now anyway !! |
| 2nd Jul 2020, 11:33 PM | #4 REPORT | |
 | Juke Jules SUBS Tell me he's lazy, tell me he's slow Member since Jan 2011 4151 Points Moderator | What are discogs?  |
| 3rd Jul 2020, 12:32 PM | #5 REPORT | |
 | Steel-River-Wet SUBS M. Bolan, D. Bowie, A. Harvey & Olivia NJ. RIP x Member since Sep 2011 1896 Points |
Pridesale wrote:
Look at the mess of Discogs - Europe and UK being the biggest. Countries are almost determined by rights (which constantly moved around). I am tending to use Discogs for my collection - simply because someone else has already added most of them by now anyway !!
A mess? Yes! Most already added? NO! (I bet they like to think that most are already added, but it's simply just not true). I've added MANY items onto 45worlds (and 45cat) that are not already on "that other site", and won't be adding them there either. I found 45cat first (a fraction under nine years ago), and have loved every darned second of it. As for D'cogs, I'd never even heard of it back then. Even now, I only use it sparingly, have never added anything to it..and have no wish to either. LONG LIVE ROCK..45cat, 45spaces & 45worlds! |
| 9th Jul 2020, 11:26 PM | #6 REPORT | |
 | Lee Wrecker If you can't dig me, you can't dig nothin' Member since Nov 2013 2283 Points | Careys asked
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Why are CD albums not listed by country like the other categories are?
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it's a work in progress, I'm sure this will happen eventually.
My view is that listing CDs is in the too hard basket and will remain there for eternity. Because we have been unable to tackle this question the site will spiral out of control and most regular contributors to CD World already ignore the guidelines and list things as they please or see fit at the time. I have CDs that fit three categories of country simultaneously (country of purchase as a local release, country/region of original release and of course international. When CD World started the idea was, or seemed to be that international was the way to go as most CDs were distributed this way due to the globalisation of the music industry. However, the theory didn't really stand up to scrutiny and many flaws in this methodology appeared as CDs from around the world were actually found to have slight differences (additional cat#s, secondary cat#s, additional distribution companies, same cat#s but different label and the list goes on). The original idea seemed to be that a CD would be entered and all the versions from around the word would be added to that listing and voila everything for that CD release would be on that page. Unfortunately, that was not the case in practise and what we have now found out is that there a lots of differences between CDs even with the same barcode or cat#. Our inability to deal with this as a group over the years means these problems will fester and now that new LPs that are distributed the same way have overtaken global CD sales the same mess will manifest itself in our cataloging of new release LPs. This has long been a problem on this site and many of us that were trying to deal with it ever since CD World began have become very disenchanted with the lack of any realistic response from the MODS and many disputes between site users have soured what were once healthy, friendly working relationships and even caused some users to leave the site or choose not to enter CDs here. I myself, will not for the foreseeable future enter this debate again. I hear the Admins and Mods cry "yehoo!" in cyberspace but Careys simple sensible question Quote:
Why are CD albums not listed by country like the other categories are?
So, the answer to Careys question is that when the decision was made to include CDs on the site it was (perhaps mistakenly) believed classifying CDs as international might solve some issues experienced on other sites. Unfortunately, it has also created a database that can't identify CDs by country of release. I don't share Magic Marmalade's optimism that it will get sorted out eventually and have heard these kind of empty promises for years. Just enter CDs any way you like there are no real guidelines that being adhered to and everyone that is a regular contributor to CD world seems to have their own method of entry in my experience. If you have 1000's of spare hours you could waste them on trying to do something about this but having already done this I would suggest that it's probably much easier to look the other way and pretend everything is fine. Good luck! |
| 9th Jul 2020, 11:26 PM | #7 REPORT | |
| Lee Wrecker If you can't dig me, you can't dig nothin' Member since Nov 2013 2283 Points | Careys asked
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Why are CD albums not listed by country like the other categories are?
Quote:
it's a work in progress, I'm sure this will happen eventually.
My view is that listing CDs is in the too hard basket and will remain there for eternity. Because we have been unable to tackle this question the site will spiral out of control and most regular contributors to CD World already ignore the guidelines and list things as they please or see fit at the time. I have CDs that fit three categories of country simultaneously (country of purchase as a local release, country/region of original release and of course international. When CD World started the idea was, or seemed to be that international was the way to go as most CDs were distributed this way due to the globalisation of the music industry. However, the theory didn't really stand up to scrutiny and many flaws in this methodology appeared as CDs from around the world were actually found to have slight differences (additional cat#s, secondary cat#s, additional distribution companies, same cat#s but different label and the list goes on). The original idea seemed to be that a CD would be entered and all the versions from around the word would be added to that listing and voila everything for that CD release would be on that page. Unfortunately, that was not the case in practise and what we have now found out is that there a lots of differences between CDs even with the same barcode or cat#. Our inability to deal with this as a group over the years means these problems will fester and now that new LPs that are distributed the same way and have now overtaken global CD sales the same problem will manifest itself in our cataloging of new release LPs. This has long been a problem on this site and many of us that were trying to deal with it ever since CD World began have become very disenchanted with the lack of any realistic response from the MODS and many disputes between site users have soured what were once healthy, friendly working relationships and even caused some users to leave the site or choose not to enter CDs here. I myself, will not for the foreseeable future enter this debate again. I hear the Admins and Mods cry "yehoo!" in cyberspace but Careys simple sensible question Quote:
Why are CD albums not listed by country like the other categories are?
So, the answer to Careys question is that when the decision was made to include CDs on the site it was (perhaps mistakenly) believed classifying CDs as international might solve some issues experienced on other sites. Unfortunately, it has also created a database that can't identify CDs by country of release. I don't share Magic Marmalade's optimism that it will get sorted out eventually and have heard these kind of empty promises for years. Just enter CDs any way you like because there are no real guidelines that being adhered to and everyone that is a regular contributor to CD world seems to have their own method of entry in my experience. If you have 1000's of spare hours you could waste them on trying to do something about this but having already done this I would suggest that it's probably much easier to look the other way and pretend everything is fine. Good luck! Edited by Lee Wrecker on 10th Jul 2020, 12:59 AM |
| 11th Jul 2020, 3:41 PM | #8 REPORT | |
| Pridesale🍰 Member since Mar 2013 805 Points | SRW What I meant was - surprisingly but there are exceptions - the collection of CDs that I have I am finding (thankfully) some poor so and so has already added them - though it has not been easy even with barcodes to work out if what I have is the UK issue, the UK and Europe , The Europe or The US (that made its was to here). One. Some that are not over there are the ones the Irish guy in the market in Walthamstow has of every Irish Vocalist or Band in Existance, I guess the owners of them dont feel the desire to add theirs to funny internet sites. I dont have a large collection and most of what I have have come from the communal bin store at mums flats (music magpie offers me 7p for them each when they are in a buying mood) I also got passed some years back about 300 sleeves only which I was going to use for blank CDs then I got a load of CDs without sleeves/cases so I am slowly going through them to see if any match. |
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