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  26th Feb 2013, 7:46 AM#1  REPORT  
LaurenceD SUBS

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We have two Red Seal items so far (I just added the second) nested inside the RCA Victor listings. Shall I separate them as a sub-grouping?


  26th Feb 2013, 2:33 PM#2  REPORT  
Dr Doom SUBS

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I think given that there should be a lot of them and RCA Victor will eventually have a very large discography then it could be an idea to split them up.

I guess they have their own numbering sequence?

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  1st Mar 2013, 7:47 PM#3  REPORT  
Jock_Girl

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The whole Victor/ RCA Victor and sub-types is a real mess.

What we have at least as far as the USA goes is (not counting the pre-Victor labels):

Victor
Victrola
Victor Red Seal
RCA Victor
RCA Victor Red Seal
RCA Victor Red Seal De Luxe
RCA Victor Bluebird Series

All of these, with the possible exception of the Bluebird Series (as opposed to Bluebird itself, which is separate already), should be broken out into their own labels. The same goes for RCA Victor Red Seal De Luxe. That leaves us with 5 distinct incarnations:

Victor
Victrola
Victor Red Seal
RCA Victor
RCA Victor Red Seal

While 'Red Seal' could be combined into its parents, it is nice if it is broken out, too

RCA seemed to have a lot of "series" also but these can be left as they are within the parents

Now if only people wouldn't upload RCA Victors as Victors



  4th Mar 2013, 4:54 PM#4  REPORT  
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Into the LP era , I was always told that Red Seal records used inferior or regraded/reused vinyl , is that correct. More to me would be discount versions of tunes that had already sold well on a premium price division.


  4th Mar 2013, 5:19 PM#5  REPORT  
Jock_Girl

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Whyperion wrote:
Into the LP era , I was always told that Red Seal records used inferior or regraded/reused vinyl , is that correct. More to me would be discount versions of tunes that had already sold well on a premium price division.

You may be thinking of re-issues on Victrola and RCA Camden. Red Seal if I recall was known for using what is termed Z shellac

To quote this page: http://www.norpete.com/au1ep78auph.html

Z Shellac - relates exclusively to the best pressings ever produced by Victor, mid-1930's, found on PW, Orth (Orthophonic), but primarily on Scroll Labels, always offering remarkably quiet surfaces, identifiable by the minuscule "z" found only in the upper portion of the inner margin of the shellac. In the event that there is no “z” embossed in such pressings, they will be identified as being “z-type shellac.”


  4th Mar 2013, 9:36 PM#6  REPORT  
Pridesale

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Thanks ( Using an Alter Ego as just got a pile of free 78s that are generally knackered and I want to note what and how many there are , without muddling my own list ).

Think I was getting Red Label - a premium product muddled with some of the other RCA sub brands.


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